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[egnaro tsaf]

Ok, at my friends house someone (who doesn't have permission to) has put listining devices around the property. We need some way to take them out.... Preferable a tone I could record that would fry the mic.... We dont know where they are placed but this is a MAJOR invasion of privacy... Please help!


P.S. I am new here so I am sorry but I didn't know what forum to put this in.

[phishphreek]

http://www.wasc.noaa.gov/wrso/security_guide/detect.htm

I don't know how you'd expect to emit a tone and think it'd fry the mic.

Microphones are made for recoring or transfering sound... and if it hears a tone, its just going to pass that tone along.

AFAIK: You can't fry a mic by emitting a tone...

But I have no real experience with it. Its just common sense?

[egnaro tsaf]

Ahh, see we would call the cops but the owner of the property is in the hospital and cannot do anything as she is not in a capable state of talking to the police.

[phishphreek]

Well someone who is acting on her behalf? If she is not capable of such decisions... there must be someone who is. Someone else who lives at the residence? Attorney? Etc. Who is taking care of her hospital bills and decisions?

[Cybr1d]

well a shot from an ElectroMagnetic Pulse Cannon would fry the frying...but unlikely you can get your hands on one . How do you know of these devices? Maybe they're the alarm system and you're trying to break in without the darn thing going off? Just a thought.

Call the police and explain to them the situation. It makes little sense....the owner of the house is in the hospital, but yet you have found these devices and want to turn them off? What are you doing in that house while the owner is in the hospital anyways?

Or the second scenario is: You're involved in some illegal ****, and the FBI is after you, they're spying on you and you noticed that. Unfortunately you cannot change your hideout...so you need to get rid of these devices.

Can you please provide us with some more information? Use your imagination...you seem pretty creative.

Ahh, see we would call the cops but the owner of the property is in the hospital and cannot do anything as she is not in a capable state of talking to the police.

That is the biggest load of grade A+ Crap i've seen in a while...What is a 16 year old doing around the lady's house?

[moxnix]

KISS = Keep It Simple Stupid
Just don't talk about anything you wouldn't want any one else to hear while you are in range of any listening devices.....Simple.

Your 'story' doesn't hold water, by the way.

We dont know where they are placed

So how do you even know they are there?

There are several different way to detect the presents of various bugs and devices for recording sound and such. They do require a bit of money or technical expertise to buy or build. The devices themselves are not very cheap, and wouldn't be used willynilly.

So if I were you, I would be worrying more about how to hire an attorny to represent you, than trying to find some way of detecting or defeating such devices. Whom ever place them, if they do even exist, is probably a governmental agency building a case against you.

[spamdies]

If your concerned with someone going though all the trouble to wire tap a property for conversations you may also want to check out these links.


http://www.eskimo.com/~joelm/tempest.html
http://www.robertgraham.com/pubs/carnivore-faq.html

[IKnowNot]

someone (who doesn't have permission to)

permission from whom? Do you mean the land owner? Are you including the Courts?

And who is "someone"???? Is it a neighbor, relative, friend, co-worker, Fed ( or other law enforcement agency) ?

around the property

exactly what is meant here?
In what country are you is the property located? ( could make a big difference as far as the law goes )
How big is the property?
Are you talking inside or outside of the house? The law in the US refers to "curtilidge" of the actual residence with reference to what should be considered to requiring a warrant, and what YOU expose to the public. Where exactly are these "listening devices" ?

How do you know they are there?

Preferable a tone I could record that would fry the mic

How do you know they are using a mic ?


Additional questions:
What leaves you to believe it was done?
Why would they do it?
Who would profit?

but this is a MAJOR invasion of privacy

Maybe, maybe not. In your posts you did not answer the questions above so no one really knows.

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Please help!

I'll try, but you may not like it, and it may not give you the answer you want. The discussion does not belong here ( but nice link phishphreek80 for the novice paranoid )

But bare in mind I am drunk and may not cover everything.

If I remember correctly "Harmonics" would be the key here, but you would have to know exactly what tone to use : that would depend on what brand, what model, etc. of the mic that was used, if a mic was used at all ( not exactly, but rather how it was wound and what components were used, but the idea is still the same ). How do you know a mic was used? Could it have been a laser? And are you talking wired or wireless? Again, who do you think is doing this? The Feds here would use high frequency, other law enforcement and private might use lower frequency, cheaper pieces, or even wired. Some might be taken out by simply stepping on them, others with "white" noise, others with merely closing the drapes.

If they're mine, good luck!





( just something to keep you guessing )

[i2c]

if there wireless devices the way to detect them is put on some background music, like a cd incase there VOX (voice activated) so that there transmitting, the take a normal radio and move it across the wall moving the tuner and if you hit a point where the radio does the echoy thing like you here on the radio when they ring up and someone has there radio on in the background then youve found it.

its unlikely that its a professional job, so the device is more than likely to be a crude larger than specialist device, so just check the obvious (behind picture frames, under tables, under chairs, power sockets, light switchs) it might be a professional job and the method ive told is for finding crude devices, if its from some 3 figure organisation then its likely that this method wont work as they frequency hop.

the fact of the matter is that it could be a trojan horse, a gift that someones given that has the device in.

ive just wrote all this stuff but how do you actually no that you are bugged!

as for ur method of a tone, this is unliekly to work as microphones have a frequency response that is similar to what frequency are voice is at, so it wont pick up a sound that u cant hear...its not gonna destory the mic ive it would either drive it into saturation or be outside the frequency response.

you can jam the transmitters by building a jammer, but i cant be arsed going into the technical complexxitys of that as you dont no allot about the said device, and how you even no its there is a mystery to me....

i2c

[i2c]

ohh yea i dont like this post much, but i believe you can by a bug scanner in rat shack now adays, ive seen them sold in quite a few gadget catalogues before.

i2c