sub 7

[RiOtEr]

any one else agree with me that sub 7 is the worst thing ever introduced tot he hacker/security world litle kids thinking ther elite cause they can connect to a icq number and push buttons!! what ya think?
RiOtEr

[Ennis]

The simplistic Remote Administration Tool they call Sub7. When Mobman sat at home creating it did he realise the affect it would have, maybe not.

Trojans can give the backdoor advantage to any hacker, after cracking a server the last thing you want to do is to repeat the process, hence the backdoor created when you put that little trojan in there. Many a young man got into hacking through trojans, who are now purely ethical and laugh at the days of script kiddie fun.

It is just an over-used tool, create your own and your not a script kiddie. Simple?

[Dome]

I think trojans are very usefull tools and they arent necissarily all for script kiddies, i mean if u get in there in the first place and get that trojan in there you did the work, you just dont want to do it again, many hackers place trojans in machines that they havent learned enough about yet, so when they learn alittle more they can access what they had before without all that work.
i dunno its just my thought about things.

[Ennis]

That is a very relevent point, do not become a sheep and abandon everything considered lame, it may be useful for security/job related issues.

[RiOtEr]

i can belive you on that then it is easier for you to install a back door etc but not oned so many fetures such as the matrix effect to quickly and easly gain acses to a system think bout it

[Ennis]

Hmm yes there is a huge lame aspect acquired with Sub7 Im not disputing this fact. However there are some handy features there for those not considered script kiddies, who would never use such a program [perhaps create their own] but just want to avoid hard work?

[Obliterate]

yes but the hard work is where all the fun comes from. it allows you to know that you've actualy done something with your time... well maybe not. but it makes you feel like you've created something. or its just me.

[RiOtEr]

yes it is fun the first time and their is a great feeling of satisfaction but you get sic of doing it again and again when your trying things out so trojans are good but sub 7 come on tose fetures its like a car who ever uses those all those ashtrays anyway??:mad: :cool:

[RiOtEr]

yes it is fun the first time and their is a great feeling of satisfaction but you get sic of doing it again and again when your trying things out so trojans are good but sub 7 come on tose fetures its like a car who ever uses those all those ashtrays anyway??:mad: :cool:

[Ennis]

Well Im a hacker, but I have explored systems at first then installed Sub7 if I want to get back in quickly, if I want to learn then Ill do it the hard, fun way.

[petemcevoy]

Thats a pretty bold statement! Are you sure your a hacker in the true sense of the word? Hows your c programming? Would you be able to help with a strange problem i'm having with an aix 4 box i administer? Or maybe take a look at a cgi script i've been having some diffs with? I haven't heard too many "real" hackers i've had the good fortune to meet actually say come out and say "i'm a hacker"...

[Dome]

goot point pete,
but then again hackers arent all technical, a hacker can be a person that thinks "outside the box", someone who craves information, there is no PERFECT hacker out there, there is no one that can answer ALL your questions off the top of their head, they all still have more and more they need to learn. Being a hacker is a craving to learn, and to achive high computer knawlage, you dont necissarily have to be a hacker guru....
Just what i consider a hacker to be, i dont consider myself one though.

[intruder]

but can u tell me how to insert or put a trojan into somebody else system..and suppose if the trojan isinserted the how to operate a trojan...
pls help..
intruder...


Originally posted by Obliterate
yes but the hard work is where all the fun comes from. it allows you to know that you've actualy done something with your time... well maybe not. but it makes you feel like you've created something. or its just me.

[intruder]

hello...can u guide me ..that how can i put a trojan into some other person's system..and how to operate the backdoor trojan...if it is put there already....
because on of my friend send me one file and told me to download...then i downloaded..it...then he told me to run that file so i did that...then he captured my keyboard and my mouse also...but when i told him to teach me he told me no...pls teach me i don't know how to do ...:(...
waiting for your reply..
intruder..


Originally posted by Ennis
Well Im a hacker, but I have explored systems at first then installed Sub7 if I want to get back in quickly, if I want to learn then Ill do it the hard, fun way.

[Obliterate]

learn for your self. like i am.

[RogueSpy]

learn for your self. like i am. - Obliterate
Thanks goodness, someone else sees the light! Why cant everyone else be like him? Instead of comming to other people on the forum or in Mirc, and asking :

How can I hack . . . . . .

Its getting old people. . Learn to use a search engine. Do the work yourself. You wont learn unless you try.

[RiOtEr]

:confused:
if you cant use a trojen what are youdoing on a computer security bored?
hmmm
explain

[Obliterate]

learning, aparently thats what this site was made for. and its board not bored. im a fairly fast learner so i figured i'd come to where the action is.

[scagnut]

can we move to net bus yet?




:D

[Terr]

Originally posted by intruder
hello...can u guide me ..that how can i put a trojan into some other person's system..and how to operate the backdoor trojan...if it is put there already....
because on of my friend send me one file and told me to download...then i downloaded..it...then he told me to run that file so i did that...then he captured my keyboard and my mouse also...but when i told him to teach me he told me no...pls teach me i don't know how to do ...:(...
waiting for your reply..
intruder..



And when you asked ME how he did it, I also told you that I wouldn't tell you how, only how to remove it. I think that there is a certain level of maturity that must be obtained, otherwise it is a script-kiddie usage. I think that Trojan Backdoor programs aren't script-kiddie-like in themselves, it's just how they are used... see quoted example.

[KapperDog]

Go here (http://neworder.box.sk/box.php3?gfx=neworder&prj=neworder&key=trojgi&txt=Guides%20on%20trojans).

Plenty of reading about Trojans.

[TotalChaos(D~Sq]

you have to crawl before you walk.....you have to start on the bottem by using programs. Some people catch on some don't. The ones that catch on learn to write scripts, read lots of books and come here for knowledge.

[Ennis]

Ok, as much as we complain, moan etc. its very unlikely that these peole are going to ignore using trojans. Do you remember being a complete bare bones newbie and someone told you that you could control someones computer and flip their screen and so on.

Well if you are honest it may bring back horrible lame memories but it happened to the best of us.

[Ennis]

Ok, I know some C/C++, javascript, no I dont care for CGI, I can sort out some problems but not all, Ill try and enjoy doing it but I may not always succeed.

You negativity towards me shocks me, is it so hard to believe there is hackers among you in your presence or did you percieve everybody was a script kiddie.

Ah, god why do people bother...

[petemcevoy]

I don't think i was negative towards you, i do have problem with people making claims to skills which don't seeem to conform to thier posts - i think you should let your posts do the talking rather then making outlandish statements. You have a problem with my questioning of your posts - maybe we should agree on what a hacker really is, i believe that it takes an tremendous amount of knowledge to make the transition from enthusiast to hacker - but it does seem of late to have become more of an ambiguous term - whats your take on it?
Maybe you should try to develop more a "thicker skin", my questioning of your posts is nothing compared to the roasting you would get if you made such statement elsewhere - go join the irish linux user group at http://www.linux.ie and make the same claim - you'll discover true meaning of the term flame if you do that.

[Ennis]

Hmmm, I like your thinking, if you wish I will join but I dont think I would make such a staement there. True, however here I ammore comfartable using the term as here their is a different look of a hacker, I am a hacker in terms of a neophythe if that clears things up, I am by no means as uper-hacker or elite for want of a better word but I am reasonable.

[RiOtEr]

going back a few threads but you said who never used trojans of cause we all do im talking about the script kiddies that use them ones come on boards like this and say im l33t (why cant they just use letters by the way)
and hey wouldnt know the difference between c/c++ or java even if they were swimming in it(sorry an add on tv at the moment) they then brag to their friends and then then they think lets make a hacking group and call it somthing like l33t MonkEys (sorry the best i could think up of the top of my head)
their the people im bitching bout
:fpissed: :fpissed:

[KaKoKoOl]

Originally posted by Obliterate
learn for your self. like i am.

My friends no doubt Sub7 is one of the power ful RAT right now but still i say its not the best i have ever come to know. The few features i like of Sub7 are
Capture screen option allow mouse click
ftp/http
get recorded passwords


But try School bus its too cool very pleasent envoirment its best features are :

crash windows
shutdown
capture screen
application
its client chat option
send msg

if u want to have fun with ur victim than use School bus otherwise if u want just to get passwords then use SUB7

[KaKoKoOl]

Originally posted by intruder
hello...can u guide me ..that how can i put a trojan into some other person's system..and how to operate the backdoor trojan...if it is put there already....
because on of my friend send me one file and told me to download...then i downloaded..it...then he told me to run that file so i did that...then he captured my keyboard and my mouse also...but when i told him to teach me he told me no...pls teach me i don't know how to do ...:(...
waiting for your reply..
intruder..




Well U have to send the sever to the victim, one way is exchanging file , change the extension of ur program and decode it from server.exe to (any name).exe.mp3

Trace victim Ip address and then simply let him/her run the server and after that he's urs.

Quite nice way to explain how trojan work ;)