New Feature: Suicide Threads!!!!!

[JP]

Greetings All:

Well, after WEEKS of work, they're finally here!

!!!!!!!Threads that kill themselves!!!!!!!!

I have a TON of things in place to prevent abuse, but I'm sure the system will need some tweaking in the coming days.

Take a look at our first thread to kill itself:

http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=231099

[draziw]

Very cool, JP! (You're up early - then again, I haven't gone to bed yet)

[RiOtEr]

on the main page where it says this thread is extremly negative etc etc
change it to say this thread has commited suicide etc etc just so we know its not worth going to if we wanted to reply
jp i cant belive you made me come in here when you were right their hehe
RiOtEr

[Matty_Cross]

One thing I think would be good, is possibly blocking of antipoint assignments to the thread when its decided that a bullet is all that will save it....

I know that I often go huh? when I get antipoints, positive or negative, for thread which have long ago passed into the world beyond..... and I've seen, more than once, people assigning neg points to posts, just because the thread is already in the red.... I think this has increased with the 'balance' that was implemented....

Besides, we've all made some threads that we've regretted, and if the thread commits suicide, that's probably punishment enough, considering the negs it takes to get it to commit suicide....

Oh, and JP.. I like the little image of the dude hanging himself.... :)

[prodikal]

good 1 jp that way it will prevent a lot of flame war"s congratulations on your new features to AO
cheers :)

[JP]

Greetings All:

RiOtEr: Threads are now marked as suicidal once they've closed themselves.

Matty: You can no longer assign AntiPoints to posts that are in threads that have been closed.

Great ideas, thanks guys!

[ntsa]

Good job JP... Some nice new features. I think now everyone will see why balancing (one of the many required checks for this auto thread close) was neccecary.

:thumbsup:

[JCHostingAdmin]

Nice Job JP! :)

[LoggOff]

hmmmmmm prety slick, i love the pic of the dude hanging himself, makes me feel...... like smiling :D

[lord_darkside_x]

good call JP, i love the idea.

[emrys]

very nice ...hehe JP is making AO self suficient...o0o0o i here the conspiracy theorist rounding up :)....

[xmaddness]

lol.. thats awesome.. i like the hanging dude, adds so much to it.. hehe

[sun7dots]

This is a really great idea!
Just one question - if someone posts a thread - and I mean some good thread. Then someone else replies but replies with crap. That reply will get maaaany bad antipoints... Could this bad antipoints (which received only one answer) kill good thread or only a antipoints asiggned to first post in the thread are counted??? thanx for answer;)

[KissCool]

Good idea. But this "suicidal" statement will it be watched on the main page like the Antipoint status for 2 or 3 weeks?
It could discourage some people who will don't read those threads. But some threads with bad Antipoints assignements may be interesting (ok it's not a generality).

[Galdron]

Greetings All: I have been away for almost a year, for personal reasons hehehe not criminal ones. So much has changed on the Site. Looks damn good JP! I see the membership has grown too. Well thats all for now.n Laters

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[rogue_scholarX]

I like the idea, really cool. The little pic of the hanging dude is awesome.

l-----------------l
NTSA- Your signature "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."
Sir Winston Churchill.
Which you attributed to Churchill was said first by S.G. Tallentyre in the Friends of Voltaire, but was paraphrased from a letter written by Voltaire himself, something along the lines of "I don't like what you write, but I shall defend unto the death your right to write it."

No I don't go around checking out everyone's quotes, I had used the quote once in a forum and was swiftly corrected.

[Airhead]

. . . how am I ever going to get "balanced" again if all the bad threads kill themselves before I even see them! :D

I'm only half-joking here. I think the recent changes to the system are having the intended effect of upgrading what we are seeing in the threads. But I do fear that some of us are going to get so desperate to find posts to assign negs to that we may start giving negs to posts which really aren't that bad.

I've been "unbalanced" for a couple of days now. So can someone PM me a quick link to a really bad post which hasn't killed itself yet? ;)

[Bonfire]

Dude JP that's lame who really cares.

At least my nose isn't brown like some of you people geez

[cwk9]

Cool feature :)

[sumdumguy]

geez bonfire.. now i know why you were banned before..
i musta missed something somewhere your first time around ..
what is your beef exactly ?
what started your negative JP mindset ?

i thought you were alright before.. but now, i question why you would go to these lengths.

[ac1dsp3ctrum]

This thread has committed suicide.
Due to the overall poor quality of the discussion that was
taking place in this thread, the AntiPoints System has
automatically closed it from further posts.


IMHO, The antipoints system is becoming too powerful and is controling the site more than it used to.... Closing threads, banning users, etc.

AO has become a popularity contest, not a forum....


Forum - A public meeting place for OPEN discussion


Users (like JRoc), who have gotten new accounts are scared to say what they think about a post from fear of being banned... As soon as JP intrpduced the AO balancing greenies became scarce and neg point are given to almost every post.....

AntiOnline is no longer a forum, but a popularity contest......

Good feature JP :(

[SarinMage]

nice

[destined 2 fail]

IMHO, The antipoints system is becoming too powerful and is controling the site more than it used to.... Closing threads, banning users, etc.

Users (like JRoc), who have gotten new accounts are scared to say what they think about a post from fear of being banned... As soon as JP intrpduced the AO balancing greenies became scarce and neg point are given to almost every post.....

i have to agree strongly with these comments.. i really hate the whole idea of balancing your anti points espically.. all this does is force people to find criticism in posts that might not be all that bad.
the idea of threads closing themselves i belive has good intentions though,and there are alot of real crappy threads i will be happy to never see..i was wondering ..if i a thread dies ,it cant be bumped up can it?

[JP]

Greetings All:

Ah, good idea "destined 2 fail".

From now on any thread that's been closed (no matter how it was closed), it won't be allowed to be bumped up.

[ZeroOne]

I can see there are some undocumented new features, like this:

This person has been banned from AntiOnline, and as a result, all of their posts have been marked as Hidden. The user was banned for a reason, so this post may: promote illegal activities, contain flames, off topic content, and less-than-family-friendly language, among other things.

The message appears, for example, here: http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?threadid=230393#post537710

This is cool, but could you still disable their Mood Indicator, that doubles the space the posts take. Not sure about the "User tends to assign" thing either.

[souleman]

The antipoints system is becoming too powerful and is controling the site more than it used to.... Closing threads, banning users, etc.
Yes and no. When the site became a forum site and JP first introduced Antipoints, he said that there would be more of a purpose then just having little green dots under your name. Right now, with everything being done at once, this time is a real pain in the ass. But, it will hopefully clean up the forums some. This site used to have a LOT of good information. Now, there is a little good info spaced out between a lot of garbage. Once things calm down a bit, I think this site will get better again.
As soon as JP intrpduced the AO balancing greenies became scarce and neg point are given to almost every post.....
Yes, that has been a real pain in the arse also, but I have seen a few people still gaining green dots. Now that most people are getting balanced, this should slow down again.
AntiOnline is no longer a forum, but a popularity contest......
That happened a long time ago. By forcing people to have balanced AP's, and closing threads, etc, this may become a forum again. We will just have to get through the hard times.
i really hate the whole idea of balancing your anti points espically.. all this does is force people to find criticism in posts that might not be all that bad.
More important then that is that it forces you to think twice about giving postive antipoints to a post that says "nice post" which I have seen in the past.

There is one VERY good aspect of this. I have already seen newbies banned after 1 or 2 posts. Normally, those posts are pretty close to eachother in time, and they don't think before they post them. This will give them a chance, because the thread should commit suicide well before that user is banned. Hopefully, they will realize what is going on, and correct themeslves. If not, then they deserve to be banned.

Users (like JRoc), who have gotten new accounts
You mean like Freeon/bonfire, Komal/ko123, obilo/debris/celfie/chemical/etc/etc? He was banned for a reason. If he is going to change his way, then he has nothing to worry about. If not..... He started off very badly. He acually shaped up for a while, got a couple of greenies, and became an AO addict. Then he went and did a few stupid things, just like when he started. A person gets banned bassed on how they represent themselves. I will agree that there are some stupid things, because I don't think any antipoints should be assigned based on opinion. bonfire saying he doesn't like JP doesn't mean he should get negative points because he doesn't like JP. He did deserve negative points because it was a stupid thing to say though.

Anyway, soon I think everything will get back to normal, and this forum will actually become a forum again....
Nice job JP.

[ZeroOne]

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=#post) by souleman
More important then that is that it forces you to think twice about giving postive antipoints to a post that says "nice post" which I have seen in the past.

Funny, just yesterday I thought about how giving positives to "nice posts" has INCREASED. The only reason I can come up with is that first someone gives them negatives and then someone with higher AP status gives them greenies to balance their "zero post" and then it just looks like someone gave them greenies (which actually happened but after the negatives).
At worst someone gives them negatives again to balance their post and someone else gives them greenies again and....
We'd definitely have to get a solution for this. Users could refuse to get positive AP's if they think their post didn't deserve them, reseting the "post assigned" to the middle again. This might not be a good solution, though. The 100 times suggested "balancing points" would do it all. Might also be good if a one liner post could be locked (by the author) so that it couldn't get any (positive) AP's unless it got negatives and then the status would return to the middle... Again, just throwing these things for you to consider. Maybe the AP system already has algorithms that count the lenght of the post and think that if it consists of less than <5 words it doesn't count but that still wouldn't solve anything...

[blow]

This will prevent newbs from getting banned because of a stupid first post and make sure they read the tutorials.

[Sick Dwarf]

Away with the AntiPoints system.

[sqoal]

no comment

[intruder]

that is nice jp .. good ..

[Ouroboros]

For the first time in history, I can't bitch about the improvement to the site...no matter how hard I try...:)

Good idea, JPV :)

Ouroboros

[Phat_Penguin]

JP

I like the AP idea and the fact the community has power to self regulate and certain threads can be killed, but a suggestion, it may have been made before so forgive me if it has;

I dont know how hard this would be to do, but maybe small check boxes at the top of the thread - like "approve and disapprove" with a small meter

<hangman> ................................V................................... <happy face>
suicidal positive

to guage the community feelings towards the overall content of the thread. Of course one could also allocate AP's to any good/lame posts as it stands now but this would only effect the individual and not the overall tone of the post. It may assist in keeping those good threads that are subjected to one or two silly posts, alive - just an idea.

Like anything I guess, it could be open to abuse and self control is the key here and at the end of the day the moderator would have ultimate control should things get out of hand.
Keep up the good work.

[Manic]

I think its a grr-reat idea, because then you can't clog up the site with over ranting :-D

[khakisrule]

The overall status of a thread can be seen on the main page. That tell you when a thread goes suicidal. A little bit after a thread goes very negative, it goes suicidal.

[Phat_Penguin]

khakisrule,

I understand that, but the overall status of the thread appears to be gauged by the allocation of AP's to individual users .... my suggestion is that the community can self regulate that from a permanent fixture at the top of the threads so that if one particular poster is, for instance a real lamer and gets hit with max neg AP's it wont send a good thread suicidal .... it would give the community as a whole more control over the threads while still having the abilty to send a lamer packing.

Sorry if that did not come across clearly.

Regards,

Phat.