neighbor's network

[djscribble]

Greetings,

Recently my neighbor instaled a wireless network and it is now interfering with the one that i have setup (my pda connects to his network instead of mine) does anyone have suggestions on how i can remedy this? (yes i have put my settings into my pda and put it as default)

i do have wep enabled on mine (and he doesn't on his). furthermore, i have ssid broadcast disabled on mine and he has it enabled.

any suggestions will be appreciated

[MemorY]

OK WHAT THE &$*@ happened, i could swear to god this was a thread about googles toolbar before i hit the reply button, did you edit it DjSribble ? Why ? Im just gonna leave my google answer anyways.....

Get a second pop-up stopper ? I dont know, i had google toolbar installed almost 2 motnhs now, never let any pop-up through, but maybe that pop-up uses some code that google can't recognize. And if you're thinking about an update:

How can I learn when a new version is available?

The Google Toolbar automatically updates itself when a new version is available. This may not happen immediately, but it will eventually. If you learn that there's a new version out and you've just got to have it, you can reinstall the toolbar to make sure you're driving the latest model. (You may need to uninstall first, though this shouldn't normally be necessary.)


Even though i disagree with this, because there shouldn't be an automatic update without the owners permission.

Google devs, if you're reading this, please have some respect for your users. Create an option in the settings that will turn off the updater. What you are doing is unethical, and I am very disappointed that a company I considered to be one of the good guys would do something like this.

Agree 100 %.

http://www.spywareinfo.com/articles/googleupdater/

[AngelicKnight]

The best thing would be to pursaude him to disable SSID broadcasting and/or throw up some encryption.

I'm a little confused though, why is this titled "google toolbar"?

[phishphreek]

Go to your neighbors house and offer to help him configure it properly so it won't interfere with yours.

[phishphreek]

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=258540#post755569) by AngelicKnight
The best thing would be to pursaude him to disable SSID broadcasting and/or throw up some encryption.

I'm a little confused though, why is this titled "google toolbar"?

its not... its titled neighbor's network...

[djscribble]

sorry about the confusion -- originally i posted a topic about the google toolbar and it was being stupid (here is the original post)

Recently i have noticed that the google toolbar that is supposed to BLOCK popups is starting to let them through. I am kind of a noob when it comes to this type of annoyance (most of my experience is in security and viruses) so i was wondering if anyone out there has some suggestions??


i then realized that i mixed up my posts (i copy and paste from word so that i don't look stupid (which has backfired on me)

[AngelicKnight]

Woah! What's going on with this thread? After I posted, the title changed to "neighbor's network" and then MemorY's post appeared discussing the Google toolbar. Oooooh I'm so confused now!

[MemorY]

its not... its titled neighbor's network...

it is now, when i opened it it wa titled Google Toolbar too, thats why i have a response about googles toolbar up there.

[Negative]

This thread was titled "google toolbar"... MemorY's reply is to the original post about a problem with the toolbar... I moved it to the spyware/adware forum, then the OP changed the thread title and the original post... heh.

Guess I'll have to move it again...

[AngelicKnight]

All better now! You guys are responding faster than I can post. ;)

[jinxy]

Sell your gear and just use his network :D

I an joking you nead to have a chat with him.

[djscribble]

once again, i am very sorry for the confusion... i agree, however, my post was moved before i even had a chance to fix it -- lol -- grrr on all you hyper-efficient mods ;)

[AngelicKnight]

Well, we seem to be discussing both problems simultaneously without a problem. Maybe we just need to make it a dual-problem thread. More interesting that way. ;)

[MemorY]

little late there swordfish arent ya ?

[djscribble]

i have just scanned (about an hour ago) and all i had were 5 cookies -- i use spybot, adaware, and spyware blaster. i am thinking that it is just ads figuring a way around the toolbar because it only started recently, and they are pretty random (that and the # blocked still shows up)

wow, i really messed this post up (it is like 2 threads in one).... ugh...

so neway, i have called my neighbor and he refuses to talk to me about his wireless network security... i am tempted to crash his router/computers, but i know that is illegal, and i don't want to make him hate me more than he already does...

[Negative]

Ok... I tried splitting this thread into two separate threads, but people are editing and deleting their posts faster than I can glue them back together :D
Two discussions in one thread, I guess...

[djscribble]

alright, i am done editing/deleting since i am making your life difficult ;)

[MemorY]

It's cool negative, hey you better take him to court if he doesnt wanna talk to you, he'll talk to the judge, if there isn't a way to resolve this privately, the judge can resolve it,

Better u take him to court then he takin you for crashing his computer and you getting taken into court for cracking.

[SwordFish_13]

"little late there swordfish arent ya ?"

oppsy Sorry didn't knew what happned.. now i do :D.. Hey actually i deleted because i thought i posted it in the wrong thread ...... But later i figured out that i have posted it in the right thread ... It's not my fault "My Lord" when i hit Post Reply Button it was about "Google Toolbars" and when i posted it and i checked the Topic was different and it was in wireless Security so i thought i might have Posted it in the wrong thread because i have Multiple Instances of Antionline Open and might have typed it n the wrong one......(and before Talking any Further I need to Talk to my Lawyer).......

. heres the original post Which i answered to

Originally posted here (http://www.AntiOnline.com/showthread.php?threadid=258540#post755577) by djscribble

Recently i have noticed that the google toolbar that is supposed to BLOCK popups is starting to let them through. I am kind of a noob when it comes to this type of annoyance (most of my experience is in security and viruses) so i was wondering if anyone out there has some suggestions??




Hi

Advertisers are well aware of the proliferation of pop-up blockers and are always coming up with new techniques to get around them. It's a never ending battle it seems... and Goolgle like other companies makes money through Advertisements so it is posible that it might be letting it's AD's through.........

These Popups might be coming form other Third Party Tool that you might have installed Like Gator Ads Network or Kazaa on your system. The Google Toolbar's pop-up blocker does not block pop-ups generated by these third-party programs.

check that your Google popup blocker is actually enabled on. To be “on” the icon in your Google toolbar will say something like 234 blocked otherwise it will say site popups allowed and you need to click it to enable it.

Another reason might be messenger service.. you need to disable the messenger service

If this is not the case and you still get popups it may be the cause of “spyware” Try Scanning you compute With AD-Aware / Spybot ......

--Good Luck---

[Negative]

Fortunately, there is no way for your neighbor to charge you with "breaking in" into his network (because a judge will assume technical dumbness: you not knowing what network -
yours or your neighbor's- you are effectively connected to).

The ECPA (Electronics Communications Privacy Act) makes it illegal to intentionally intercept information.
The even more interesting part of the ECPA is that it is not illegal to "intercept or access an electronic communication made through an electronic communication system that is configured so that such electronic communication is readily accessible to the general public."

Your neighbor's network falls under that part of the law: it's transmitting without security, and the electronic communication on his network is readily accessible to the general public.
You are allowed to (I should say: "not forbidden to") connect to his network, even use his network to go on the internet. Even sniffing his email-passwords wouldn't be illegal (as long as you don't use them... maybe he'd be willing to talk once you show him his passwords).

[AngelicKnight]

It's cool negative, hey you better take him to court if he doesnt wanna talk to you, he'll talk to the judge, if there isn't a way to resolve this privately, the judge can resolve it,

Heh heh, you need to watch how you split your sentences more closely, I was thinking "Gee, the thread splitting issue isn't worth going to court over!" :D

[lumpyporridge]

Hes a dick about it, then load up your fav file sharing network max the bandwidth and let it go for ever, he will be forced to fix your/his problem and you get mega porn and tunes yaaaaaaa (everyone wins), Thats what i would do if an offer of help securing his network was rebuffed.

[UKnetSec]

You don't mention what make/model of PDA it is but does it not have an option to only connect to encrypted networks. Other than that it may be worth changing the channel your WAP is set too, if you are in close proximity and both WAP's are on the same channel his may be interfering with yours. May be a long shot, just an idea.

If you are using 802.11b/g then channels 1,6 or 11 are probably the best to try as they are the non-overlapping channels I think.

Scott

[djscribble]

ironically enough both him and i are transmitting on channel 6 (because that is what my pda picks up the quickest)

my pda is a dell axim x3i, so i did find a way to make it so it doesn't connect to "non-preferred" networks, however because his network doesn't have encryption and mine doesn't broadcast ssid, then it configures his network as a "preferred" network because after i bring my pda to work and it connects to a different network, it "forgets" what my network is/what it is supposed to connect to

[phishphreek]

Do you know if he has changed any of the setting since taking it out of the box?
If he hasn't changed the default username and password on the router...

Why not log in to his router and block your PDA's MAC from that router?

That'd fix it from connecting all the time...

If he really won't do anything about it... do it yourself.... or like others have said:
Suck up his bandwith... LoL

Just make sure to download really large files... like Linux Distros!

Just go in there and delete them from time to time so it doesn't use up all your diskspace...

I've found freshdownload to be a great tool! You can configure it to download 3 at a time and if it gets cut off... it'll pick up right where it stopped! Set like 6 ISOs on there from different servers... you should be set.

[XTC46]

hehe go with lumpy's idea. download an obcene amount and be as obvious as possible while doing it, this way his isp will wonder whats going on and no more networking problems for you. because he will no longer have a network. :)

[foxyloxley]

[off topic- this thread / set of threads has given me the best laff of the day so far. I tried reading it as it first appeared, then memory's post lost me, there was a reference to SwordFish_13 who (as far as I could tell) hadn't even posted, then the post appeared on the next page ???? under a different title. Negative must be earning his keep tonight.
Green to DJScribble for the amusment factor.

I've suggested moving this thread (and re-naming) to Tech Humour.............. back to topic]

Bust his sorry ass by maxxing out his bandwidth, do it at peak times, both for the cost to him as well as the chance of stopping him from playing with the big boy toys.....

Jeez. that sounds like more of a rant than the rant ?????????

[The Grunt]

When you see him get home (whenever he gets home) get a laptop connected to his network and steal his bandwidth however possible. Download *nix ISO's and the biggest files you can possibly find on any filesharing network (shoot, use K++, Bearshare, and WinMx all at the same time). Then he might figure out something fishy is going on and beg you for help :D

[djscribble]

oddly enough, he has changed the router's default name and password, but for some reason didn't enable wep (he doesn't understand computer security at all. what i am thinking about doing is rather than running my FTP server off of my network, i will just run it off his since when i run it on mine it cripples my network (figures i would go from college to home and i keep paralyzing my own network ;))

[Tiger Shark]

DJ:

i have called my neighbor and he refuses to talk to me about his wireless network security

Tell you neighbor he's a ****wit from me please....... The very fact that your PDA connects automatically to his network proves that - beyond a shadow of a doubt. Point out your not trying to discuss the "details" simply the fact that his "details" aren't working very well..... and, as a side issue his "details" are screwing up your network.

Then go ahead and point out to him that since you are clearly doing it the probablility is high that every other Tom, Dick and Harry are doing the same too. This being the case it'll only be a short time before his ISP cut's his internet access off for abuse. Hopefully, that'll get his attention and you can teach him MAC Filtering and Mandatory WEP. He will be a happy bear and so will you.

PS: What's this Google thingy?

[djscribble]

lol -- this "google thingy" was actually a mistake (i originally posted the wrong thread -- it was one i was still working on (i don't want to sound stupid)) but in short, the google toolbar which was once perfect in blocking popups, now does not block all of them and pop-ups seem to be getting around the blocking..

[Axeman]

just change your chanel, he and his network is not important enough for you to deal with.

[aeallison]

just change your chanel, he and his network is not important enough for you to deal with.

Sorry Axeman, but where is the fun in that? This "turnip" (his neighbor) obviously needs a lesson in:

[list=a]
Being neighborly
Being courtious to others
Network security
Wireless exploits
[/list=a]

I say do the FTP thing and see how long it takes him to notice how long it takes his browser pages to load.

Good Luck with your neighbor. ;)

[RoadClosed]

Interestingly enough FCC regulation states that when a device is operating at the license capacity and it is interfering with you, it is your repsonsibility to fix the interference. For example changing channels or filtering it somehow. I agree with Tiger he is a, what was it... ****twit?

I'll drive by with some toys of mine and burn out his wep reciever, then I could do his TV as well assuming I can get close enough if he has cable. If he's on an antenna cake. I am just kidding of course, but wouldn't that be fun in a hypothetical sense and I do have the stuff for it. In fact if you change channels, I could make it so he could never connect. Of course your electrical bill would go up since we would be creating a strong magnetic field in his general direction and that would have to be sustained. Or you could blip it off and on as desired, for effect. Of course that is against the law, and as a good natured human. I would approach him again, have some beer and see if you can get him to understand that he is a ****nut and your are trying to help is llama ass.

[moxnix]

Considering that he is uneducated in computer technology, he probably hasn't applied all the nessesary updates, or turned off unnessesary services.

Just start sending him some 'Messenger Service' messages about how he should set his network up in a safe fashion. Of course if you use a few personal facts to scare him alittle, he might just take it seriously.
Like: Please use encryption and proper safe guards on your wireless network. Your car licence number is XXXXXX and you live at XXXXXX Your town, USA, and your name is XXXX XXXX and you wifes name is XXXXX XXXXX"

He might just be worried and scared enough to jerk out his computer all together, and you would have a new system by picking it out of his trash.

Edit: and address him by his ham call sign that you can pick up off your TV. It would searve to perhaps get him to harden his radio system also.

[djscribble]

unfortunately this is not the first time he is not in compliance with the FCC -- he is also a ham radio operator and we are constantly picking up his conversations on our TV, telephone, once there was something funny happening with the microwave while the tv was telling us what he was saying... lol -- and he gave us filters and do "tests" but i don't think he is doing the tests on the frequencies that he actually uses...

[Axeman]

If he is a Ham operator, and he is causing problems, why not just turn him in. the FCC are very strict when it comes to these operators. too many reports on him will get his license and equipment taken.

[djscribble]

well, i am renting the basement from my fiance's parents, and they don't want to cause problems with their neighbors -- i have been tempted many times... i figure this summer i am going to give him 3 strikes before he is out

[Ghost_25inf]

if they arnt running encryption and they havent changed there passwords type the IP of the AP and get into there AP with the default username and password normally admin admin will get you in. then you can set there signal range to a shorter preamble and you shouldnt see it again.

I had this same problem with a neighbor but his wireless was killing my connection to my AP. Only difference was I took him down, I changed this passwords, changed his ip and subnet, blocked his mac, set wep, and reduced the preamble. after i changed the ssid to hacked, he got the message and he turned it off. this was over a month ago and its been off ever sence. Now im not saying what i did was right trust me i hear enough of t from my wife.

you need to do something about this quick for the fact that if your neighbor has a worm or virus you might get infected too. so try reducing his signal strenght and see if this helps. he probably wont even see a difference,

[RoadClosed]

Like I said, if he is operating on licensed equipment with the regulated power then the interference is on you. Most hams are very nice when it comes to making sure there isn't interference. Calls signs are public, what's his. I'll get on and **** with him someday.

Chances are he is a ****twit operator that is not properly grounding his stuff or he's over powering the bands by not paying attention to ERP. A filter on your TV should work assuming he's got a decent ground on his ham shack and he's not dipping the AC power enough to cause distortion during the modulation process - thus causing his radio to drift off frequency or induce some serious noise. He doesn't even have to be tuned to anything in your house, such as Channel 7 on the tele. All he has to do is induce enough power to raise the noise floor of your local environment enough that the audio will come across any channel.

Hmm, but the real issue is the WEP, just change frequencies eh? If he really just won't leave you alone to watch tv because of his noise.... there are ways to take matters into one's own hand. A pushpin will do nicely. Sounds like he wouldn't even notice a little reflected power. That's all I am going to say. ;)