anyone else notice that articles on steganography are now inaccessible via many online academic journals since Sept.11th?
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anyone else notice that articles on steganography are now inaccessible via many online academic journals since Sept.11th?
I may be wrong....but I vaguley remeber reading somewhere that it will be a criminal offence to send encrypted email punishable under the proposed new anti terrorist laws.
And they call me paranoid.
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they do that and i will make it a point to send as many encrypted emails as i can. ill send encrypted emails saying "hi" to one of my other addresses. just to piss em off. and when i get arrested ill do everything i can to make a big media circus of it. i HIGHLY doubt that any jury will convict sombody for encrypting private info.
I think you will find that the anti terrorist bill passed recently in the US does allow encrypted emails to be sent. In the UK we have had similar legislation for some time, because of the terrorist threat to the UK from certain groups based in Ireland.
However, both governments have recently tried to compromise systems like PGP by suggesting that key(s) must be registered with them.
And here in the UK they've just extended it with the anti-terrorism act. :(Quote:
Originally posted by darkes
I think you will find that the anti terrorist bill passed recently in the US does allow encrypted emails to be sent. In the UK we have had similar legislation for some time, because of the terrorist threat to the UK from certain groups based in Ireland.
personally though i think that this is a little stupid. I mean all of the good litlle citizens register their keys (presuming it does go through) and then the terrorists don't bother......result......we all get our mail watched by echelon and carnivore, and the terrorists, don't.Quote:
Originally posted by darkes
However, both governments have recently tried to compromise systems like PGP by suggesting that key(s) must be registered with them.
The proposals in the anti terrotism act that the UK government has put forward do not significantly extend electronic survelliance beyond that of the provisions of the RIP act. The RIP act (passed about a year ago in the UK) effectively legalised the use of Echelon, Carnivore etc, together with requirements on ISPs located in the UK to install hardware/software to allow interception to take place.
Of course, your general point about emails being watched is true.
I have yet to see any claim/evidence that the terrorists involved in the September 11 atrocity had used encrypted emails.
the laws r totally ****ed up..... we have 2 fight for our Privacy! god damn! we even have 2 fight for our Freedom of Speech.... that's god damn human rights and they wanna destroy 'em!
burn in hell u power-horny gluttons! :mad:
The government says we're winning the war on terrorism. Bullshit. Our economy is worse since the attacks and people are horribly afraid of flying even though they're more likely to die on the way to the airport than in the plane itself. And the anthrax scare...that hasn't even killed a dozen people. Now this, an invasion of privacy that just about violates our constitution. To quote something or other: "When privacy is outlawed, only the outlaws will have privacy."
I'm not suggesting that the terrorists in the sept 11 attacks did use encrypted email, i was reffering to terrorists/organised crimnals in general who are never going to register their keys. and apologies, i actually thought that the anti-terrorism act had been already pushed through, i stand correctedQuote:
Originally posted by darkes
Of course, your general point about emails being watched is true.I have yet to see any claim/evidence that the terrorists involved in the September 11 atrocity had used encrypted emails.
(and to whoever gave me negative antipoints for my last post.....why??? at least gimmie a reason)
Although i never really looked for it before, there was no trouble finding information on it and programs for it.
It would be rather stupid for any government to keep knowledge of steganography out of public view if terrorists are using it. Rather the should advertise its existance and encourage citizens to look for messages in wav files, images on web sites etc.
("what are you doing with porn on your computer". "aaahhh..i was doing me civic duty and looking for terorist messages")
Hmm, I see I also got negative antipoints for my post.
I'm puzzled as to why that should be, as I hadn't even expressed an opinion in my previous posts. All I was doing was reporting what the reality of the situation is.
It's up to you whether or not you agree with what the UK/US goverments are doing at the moment. But I would expect you to have the courtesy to tell me why you disagree with my posts.
join the club, i always try to give a reasonQuote:
Originally posted by darkes
Hmm, I see I also got negative antipoints for my post.
I'm puzzled as to why that should be, as I hadn't even expressed an opinion in my previous posts. All I was doing was reporting what the reality of the situation is.
It's up to you whether or not you agree with what the UK/US goverments are doing at the moment. But I would expect you to have the courtesy to tell me why you disagree with my posts.
well i think that
1. it sux that we have to fight for our civil liberties
B. we have to fight for it because along with freedom comes responsibility, which people are not taking (responsibility).
&. i think that we're attacking the right people, for the wrong reasons.
If you don't think your goverment isn't already watching everything you send and receive your wrong......I was in the Navy on a ship that did this every day.
There are one or two related issues here that people might be interested in.
Firstly, the position that the UK & US have taken in legalising the use of Echelon, Carnivore etc. is not shared by by the rest of the EU (i.e. Western Europe). It is not legal in the rest of the EU, and the EU published a critical report on Echelon, which also questioned how effective the system was in practice. Full report is at
http://cryptome.org/echelon-ep.htm
Secondly on the more general question of private individuals being allowed to send encrypted emails, both the UK & US governments would find this very difficult to ban, except under wartime conditions. In the US, you have your written constitution (especially the fourth ammendment). And in the UK, the European Convention on Human Rights now applies.
Although, it should be noted that the UK government is currently proposing to suspend parts of this act, to allow for indefinite detention without trial.