Ok I would like all of your anti-points, the negative ones. I feel that I have been some what of a grouch, part of it is I just stopped smoking. And if I really pissed anyone off then give me what I dissearve.
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Ok I would like all of your anti-points, the negative ones. I feel that I have been some what of a grouch, part of it is I just stopped smoking. And if I really pissed anyone off then give me what I dissearve.
What do all these Antipoints and Plus points? stand for? Do you reek some reward by gaining the largest number of points? and what happens when you get anti-points?
Truthfully, they mean nothing. I'm not going to lose any sleep over negative or positive points. It's fun to read the comments that come with them, that's about all the fun I have :)
I wouldn't take them personally as some here might, it's just a forum :cool:
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Originally posted by freeOn
Ok I would like all of your anti-points, the negative ones. I feel that I have been some what of a grouch, part of it is I just stopped smoking. And if I really pissed anyone off then give me what I dissearve.
I have read some very stupid threads in my short time at AntiOnline and have said nothing in reply. Hey, no ones perfect and I've posted a few myself, such as -"how do you install aGUI under zipslack" and even "installing tr.gz files"
Remeber solidpez and all his "what is the best.....who is the best...what would you do.....what os do you....." These threads drove me crazy but I didn't say a word....
BUT this one just takes the cake!
I remeber someone posting "your post is as stupid as my reply"...I think that says it all..
Frankly, I don't understand the idea of "AntiPoints".
I have been a member of AO for only a short time, but have been visiting for quite a while, and I just don't understand it.
The only thing that positive 'points', and conversely, negative 'points' do is serve to bias the reader to the posting person who carries said 'points', i.e. pos. 'points' are automatically given more creedence than 'neg' points...just though the miracle of human nature and indoctrinated bias.
A viable hypothesis would be that pos. 'point' earners may be more guarded about what they say, for fear of gaining neg. 'points', and the neg 'point' earners may just be out for blood, no matter how intelligent they really are.
Personally, I would rather that my invisible 'points' be in the grey, and have people read my posts without judgement, than have my AVATAR be judged by the little colored dot next my name before even being considered one way or the other.
Give me neg. 'points', or give me pos. 'points'...i would rather you didn't give either...but either way...the guy sitting at the computer right now really doesn't give a ****.
Ouroboros
Personally I think they antipoints are "A way for a lazy person to render judgement.", don't get me wrong, they aren't necessarily BAD, it's just that they really can't compare to the kind of accuracy of evaluation that you'd get out of just reading their posts.
Also, the internet has this tendency towards group-polarization, MUCH more than in real life. Without all the subconscious non-literal cues (gestures, facial expression, tone, etc.) that we would otherwise have in real-life, it can become very easy to classify people into an extreme group.
Some psychologists did studies with people discussing a problem face-to-face, compared to another group discussing it over an IRC-like system. Both groups were comprised of the same proportional makeup of people who individually felt a certain way about the question.
The group using the IRC-like system consistently would come to more RADICAL decisions on a pro/con topic than the control group! Apparently, within the group opinion continued to escalate away from the medium opinions as people talked up a big feedback loop. You agree with them, they feel approved of, they change their stance in order to keep their own 'relative opinion'... and it just cycles up.
How does this relate to Antipoints? Well, as Ouroboros pointed out, a certain bias tends to come with them. You'll get people who feel that, since person X has a ton of neg/pos Antipoints, other people will see those indicators and think that they reflect the opinion of the majority. Then they will feel pressured to conform, and they will shape their expectations of 'good' or 'bad' posts to fit.
Actually, the whole group-polarization thing didn't come into Antipoints quite that much, but I have seen it... Like opinions of Seb-G/Hanss, or the little KaKoKool incident with (unintentional?) plagarism.
Points? .... You mean this isn't the tagline section? Hey I see the "status" thing involved with your own hip avatar, a dozen green boxes by your monicure, .... But really, ..... I love "aquiring" all these taglines. Give me points; make me a God!
:what: Freeon to be honest I havent noticed that you were groucher than normal. Living in Alaska and quiting smoking I think youre entitled to be a little grouchy. Ill give you a thumbs up for trying to quit Ive tried for years and it never lasts I end up starting again.As for giving you negitive points why and what for all Ive noticed is that you speak your mind and if folks dont like it tough luck. I got negitive points for agreeing with someone so the way I look at it if they are giving us negitive points we must be making them think cannt you smell the smoke. I have enjoyed your posts and hope to see more of them.Have a :drink: and let the world:kissass:
I don't think Antipoints should be used for anything other than display. Access to boards, for instance... no. I think the private boards will be invite-based, rather than being able to be antipoint-based, for instance. I mean, Antipoints are such ephemeral things that it wouldn't be that wise to make a system where they are worth anything in and of themselves. (As opposed to simply having a meaning to whomever sees them.)
Just to share an antipoint comment I got on this thread, which I sort of consider as an anonymous post, given the content:
Did I ever say The Realm was a superb game? It *was* pretty good for it's time, at once point. I played it for the community, not the gameplay. Why so angry?Quote:
You ****ing hypocrite! Take your antipoints and shove 'em up your ass! The Realm was the worst ****ing game ever !
How am I a hypocrite? Am I contradicting myself somewhere? Am I acting in a way that doesn't agree with what I say? I would challenge you to find examples to support this.
As for my avatar and sig, what's wrong with messing around trying to make it look good, eh? If you ask some of the older members, you'll know that I've made avatars and sigs for some of them, because I like messing with graphics and gradients occasionally.
Anyway, the whole Antipoint thing is REALLY overdiscussed, see these threads for more comments and debates:
http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=127351
http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=127190
http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=118944
http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=119593
http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=120399
I personally think the AntiPoints system altogheter should be abolished. Since they have been put in place, they have been virtually nothing but a source of controversy and tension. While most of the members here can handle the AntiPoints system, there are a few jackasses running around abusing it, and ruining it for everybody. This entirely negates the point of AntiPoints. They were supposed to be a judge of a person's intelligence, and manners. Now, they're more of a measure of how targeted they are by the abusers. What really sucks, is that since it's anonymous, it's hard to find out who the abusers are. For all we know, Terr may be the biggest abuser, with 20 different accounts set up specifically for spewing out negative AntiPoints (but I trust Terr wouldn't do that, as he is probably the biggest voice of reason in the forums). In fact, I just got negative points on a post with the comment "bye bye". Needless to say, those were BS points. This proves my point. I also think they keep a lot of people from saying what's on their mind, in fear of the virtual rain of negative AntiPoints that they know is going to come down on them because some people don't agree with them. Maybe I'm missing something, but I have never heard of any rules, written or unwritten, about having a dissenting opinion. Take evilseed for example (I hope you don't mind, man). I see he isn't exactly gifted with AntiPoints. Can anybody tell me why? I certainly don't see a reason for him to have as few points as he does. Maybe I have been missing some of his posts or something, but the only reason I can think of for him to get so many negative AntiPoints (besides being targeted by the abusers) is the way he talks (not that there's anything wrong with it). This clearly is not a good reason to give out negative points (assuming my theory is correct). I'm very curious to see what other people have to say on this topic, as I don't think I'm the only one who believes this way.
I'll give you an AntiPoint just for spelling deserve wrong. ;)Quote:
Originally posted by freeOn
Ok I would like all of your anti-points, the negative ones. I feel that I have been some what of a grouch, part of it is I just stopped smoking. And if I really pissed anyone off then give me what I dissearve.
Being pretty new here, I haven't noticed your posts to be really offensive or anything. But then again, maybe I just have a higher tolerance for such things.
Just to tick you off, I'll give you some positive ap's, to counter shch's negatives ones. :) Hope that'll keep you on edge enough to continue quit smoking... (err... yeah).
Hey, us people from the middle of no-where should stick together....
um, no, I want all my negative points for myself...
wait a minute, I cant give myself negative points can I???
you can have them if you want...
good luck in your quest.
IchNiSan
honestly dude, if you can't say what you think what is the point of posting.Quote:
Can I have all your Neg. Points
Ok I would like all of your anti-points, the negative ones. I feel that I have been some what of a grouch, part of it is I just stopped smoking. And if I really pissed anyone off then give me what I dissearve.
pising people off is part of interacting with other humans, it is going to happen, get over it.
What about me? I had over 30 positive points at one time, and had a low 3 days ago of -2. People hate it when I ask networking questions, or when I say how much I like Assembler, or when I say that I like some microsoft products, or they think I post too much. If you have time then please give me a negative antipoint for every one you give freeOn, or anyone else. Im not gonna stop posting. Hell I might try to beat hehbris and seb-g for the low record.Quote:
Originally posted by freeOn
Ok I would like all of your anti-points, the negative ones. I feel that I have been some what of a grouch, part of it is I just stopped smoking. And if I really pissed anyone off then give me what I dissearve.
I really don't care about the whole antipoints issue..
I mean, its nice when someone gives you pos. points and says thanks for the help... and when they give you negative points, I feel special... I mean, that silly sod just spent however long a period of his life giving me negative points... this period of his life will never be returned, so that say, minute of his life is gone.....
so to whoever gave me negative points stating a reason "stupid convict scum", I've affected you.. I've cost you a part of your life that you could have spent doing something exciting... :rolleyes:
And besides, when its hehbris giving me the negative points, I don't care.... but it just shows that I'm getting to the fool... :D
this would have to be the stupid thread i have ever seen
to tell u the truth who cares about those ao points only thoses stupi 1337 script kiddes who want respect would care bout them presonaly im happy with none!
btw never install microsoft visuall c++ for it is crap stick with somthing else
Alright folks! We all have a sense of humor in here from what I can tell and for the most part we should all be mature in our temperment towards our peers. Almost everyone I have ever asked for help or advice has been more than willing to offer their services and to give me unrestricted access to pick their brain for it! I don't think that members who are serious about security issues should be complaining about the antipoints recieved. In my school they always preached how to "Play The Game", learn the rules early and then you can play the game better than many middle age adults who never got around to reading the manual. I'd like to consider AO a new chapter in my "How to Play The Game Manual". Everone else should do so as well. We have many very bright and intelligent individuals who are much younger than myself (i'm 21) who act on an adult level equal to mine while others in here make me think I'm talking to my 10 year old brother!!!! The negative anti-points truly should be assigned to people who consistently post false information and refuse to remove the posting, mislead people in AO about information in a malicious manner, post vicous/harassing threads that is intended to start a wild fire... You waste your time and your chance to learn and grow when you post these types of threads, but you waste even more when you reply to them!!! don't read it, let one person respond saying this thread is full of false information and have it reported to JP so that he knows that it should be looked at and let him decide on removing it or not. So can we all just decide that we need to discontinue bitching over negative anti-points and post constructive/thoughtful threads! I will only recieve negative anti-points for this from those of you who missed your nap time and who are upset that they are too old for snack time as well!
Free0n I have never seen you as grouch, and I think leaving is not the option. Hell hehbris gave me some of the weirdest antipoints ever but Ill live.
With the good comes the bad, you are far from the latter.
In my short tenure here on AO, I have only seen, approx, 2 threads that have gained a lot of attention:
1)That one guy who was bragging about his web defacements, I think his name sounded like "Glaze" or something. That thread received a lot of "press."
2)And the AO Antipoint system.
I do understand that by this exact post I am contributing to the very thing I am about to "rant" on.
I agree with cheez_cake and Terr and pretty much any of the other well-respected AO'ers on this topic. There are pros and cons to the Antipoints system. That's life. Basically all of these threads have just been an opinion after an opinion and when someone doesn't agree with someone else's opinion, they "debate" or argue about it.
As much as I like to "debate" over stuff, opinions is not one of them. Some people like Antipoints, and some don't. Can we just agree to disagree? In the end, JP will make the ultimate decision. Let's just leave that to him and take our 2 cents and save it for an important thread, one that will produce lasting results, instead of Antipoints.
"Of course, that's just my opinion and I could be wrong."
-Dennis Miller
He was called VaZe from my recollection and it was a pretty debated topic too.Quote:
1)That one guy who was bragging about his web defacements, I think his name sounded like "Glaze" or something. That thread received a lot of "press
Thank you for the correction Ennis.
It was very debated. I must admit, I found the array of posts to be very humorous. Strike me down if you must, but humor ran rampent through that thread. (sorry for the alliteration)
Well lets just say it was like he had set himself up, he was the antithesis of a good cracker blatently spouting off about his escapades, not only that but on a security related board.
Here is the thread you all your viewing pleasure.
vaZe
Enjoy
Hehe. Do I look like the kind of person with the attention span necessary for that? It's sort of like being accused of cheating in CounterStrike (a game, a Half-Life mod)... Except in CS it's something of a small compliment, that you do well enough to warrant suspicion. I won't lie, I like my little antipoint hoard, and I don't know how it all managed to dribble in, and if all antipoints were abolished, I wouldn't lose much sleep. It's funny to get negative APs with comments like "Hah, eroding Terr's Antipoints!" :P (If whoever posted that is reading this, congrats, you made an impression. :thumbsup:Quote:
Originally posted by stflook
For all we know, Terr may be the biggest abuser, with 20 different accounts set up specifically for spewing out negative AntiPoints
But yeah, FreeOn, did you have to start this thread? Let the AP debate DIE! DIE DIE DIE, it's gone on for so long and so loud... er, wait. Sorry, I was thinking about CNN's grandiose 'War on Terrorism' articles. Oops. :D