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#1. Do most crackers use dos, linux or unix (or something unmentioned) when they are cracking a server or a computer?
#2. I have recently read an article in the recent wired (dont ask me which one though) about a guy who hacks into servers and other computer systems using only a browser. How is this possible? And if you can do it using just a broswer, than why arent so many crackers hacking using it?
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#1. Do most crackers use dos, linux or unix (or something unmentioned) when they are cracking a server or a computer?
bugs are found everyday, and they are used to enter systems, crash systems or whatever .....Quote:
I have recently read an article in the recent wired (dont ask me which one though) about a guy who hacks into servers and other computer systems using only a browser.
Most "crackers" use whatever operatting system is appealling to them. It's been talk about a hell of a lot around here about what Operating System is the securist, what is best for this, what is best for that, blah, blah, blah. If you can use it, and can use it well, know your way around, and know how to do whatever you're doing, be it coding, web development, image design, whatever, then use it. No use going to an OS you don't know, when you can do it fine on one that you know how to.
Second, you can only do so much with a browser. Was he using his browser, or other peoples? For example, was he getting a dir listing due to old IIS, PHP or Apache expliots? Or was he explioting a flaw in the browser itself? Those are two possible ways to "crack: using your browser, and are prime examples of why you should always have everything on your system up to date, from servers like Apache, modules like for them like PHP, and even your web browsers.
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MB
im sorry for asking but whats a cracker?
Basicly a script kiddie, or "hacker" that does things illigally, and destroys them, or uses them for their of personal gains.
Basicly an idiot.
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another question if you dont mind. what exactly is the thread subscriber? because somehow i became one in here but you guys have posted before me, i also searched for it.. *lost*
It means you you recieve updates when a post is posted in the thread you subscribed to.
Sometimes it signs you up when you post in a thread.
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quick search on google, second page from the results....
Definition for: cracker
A person who breaks into computer systems, using them without
authorization, either maliciously or to just to show off.
The news media commonly use the term "hacker" to describe someone who fits the above description, and this is unfortunate because it is inaccurate and misleading. Most people in the computer industry refer to "hacking" as the process of problem solving. You "hack" a solution, hence the label "hacker".
Definition for: hacker
One who is knowledgeable about computers and creative in computer programming, usually implying the ability to program in assembly language or low-level languages.A hacker can mean an expert programmer who finds special tricks for getting around obstacles and stretching the limits of a system.
To some people it means an unconventional programmer or one who is not formally trained, or one who jerry-rigs programs (making temporary fixes that are not well-done).
At MIT, a "hack" means a practical joke, especially one that requires intelligence and technological skill to carry out.
The two terms are related in that a good cracker is one who uses his or her ingenuity to solve the puzzle that is computer security. Some crackers attack systems in a friendly and helpful way to show the owners that their security is lacking. This is probably a good thing in the case of commercial sites and vendors of firewall products.
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man someone likes google lol, anyways thanks for your help guys
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Even better is the reading.
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Originally posted here by MicroBurn
Basicly a script kiddie, or "hacker" that does things illigally, and destroys them, or uses them for their of personal gains.
Basicly an idiot.
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MB
Micro you must be a SYSADMIN! heheh
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stickman,
The article you read was most likely about Adrian Lamo. He's received a lot of press lately (mostly because he hacked into the New York Times and they decided to press charges) and it's true that he only uses a web browser to find his way into corporate networks. You can read more about his adventures here:
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/6888 - this article illustrates what happens when you engage in illegal activity
http://www.securityfocus.com/news/296 - this is an article about some of his tactics
It's not rocket science, but it is illegal so don't get any ideas ;). As for your third question "why arent so many crackers hacking using it", the answer is, they are. A web browser is just one of many tools in an attacker's toolbox.
Take care,
_TOMDAQ
Quick comment:
You might also see the word "cracker" used for someone who breaks the security of commercial software in order to make illegal copies. This illegal software is frequently called "warez"
The concept is the same: illegally circumventing security measures?
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why deos every one think that crackers are hackers? crackers are people (yes they are lame)
that crack into trial software and use lots of methods to make it full version with out paying
now what you guys are mistakeing crackers for are black hats ,darksides ect.
ps myself i think there cheap lol :D
sorry i did not notice this has been said before
Just a quick note again about crackers. Everyone seems to portray crackers as bad and evil people who destroy everything. Well, that may be true, but, without crackers, we'd have no need to secure software, we'd have no need for securing our networks, that entire job market would be gone. I'm not saying that crackers are good, and I hate it when lamers DDoS some server because that's awfully lame. I do have some respect for software crackers as it generally takes more skill to crack a piece of software than to d/l skiddie tools. I have even more respect for the people that identify problems with systems and offer fixes. Both blackhats and whitehats have a great deal of knowledge about programming, networking, security, and whatnot, but we clearly see that knowledge is two-sided here. I don't feel that crackers are bad, I feel that they're a necessary evil.
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I have recently read an article in the recent wired (dont ask me which one though) about a guy who hacks into servers and other computer systems using only a browser.
Methods like SQL injection or Unicode can be perform~
Is a cracker a blackhat? LOL
yea plus this site probably wouldnt exist.Quote:
Well, that may be true, but, without crackers, we'd have no need to secure software, we'd have no need for securing our networks, that entire job market would be gone.
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Is a cracker a blackhat? LOL
There seems to be 2 views:
Hackers = good, they test network security and release info for security
Crackers = bad, they test network security and exploit
or
Hackers = bad, they test network security and exploit
Crackers = bad, they break code, programming for access
There are just too many definitions to get worked up about it.
ok here is the short version....
here in AO we consider
cracker=bad
hacker = good
thats it.
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[Sarcasm] I dunno man....................are crackers really that bad? [/Sarcasm]
No. Without them, you, me, and everyone here would not only not be at this web site, but have no jobs.Quote:
Originally posted here by SonofGalen
[Sarcasm] I dunno man....................are crackers really that bad? [/Sarcasm]
Now as cute as it is seeing everyone rush off to say what each term means...Super.
Hacker: Someone who enjoys exploration and finding ways to make things happen that are supposedly impossible. Yes they can break into a server, because if none broke into anything, how would they understand how it happened exactly?
Cracker: Crack software to make it so people can get it for free, as most hackers believe information should be free, and not everyone has $20,000.00 for a peice of software they need. Richard Stallman was one of the first to keep this idea of software being shared alive. Everyone calls him a hero, but if you crack software, even with actual skill, you are a criminal to most.
I think that's ****. If you're smart enough to learn how to do it, then I don't think you should be jailed for doing it for yourself.
Black Hat:
Have real skill like Regular hackers, but they use it for other purposes. They break into things and destroy things. Another group misunderstood. Who says they aren't the ones keeping other powers in countries from taking over and turning everyone into sheep?
A Black Hat breaks security for their own purposes, while White Hats Break in to see how it works.
Red Hat:
Sell out company. Used to be cool in making *NIX OSs easier to use. Got greedy and said the hell with the none paying user base, and now only sell corporate ****.
Blue Hat: Hacker/Phreaker/Social Engineer like person. Likes to explore and learn how things work, even if some of the things learned would make them criminals if used. Morals separate them from criminals. Blue Hats know HOW to do things that could mess you up, but don't usually use any skills from it to do harm.
Blue Hats know a little of everything from Social Engineering, to phreaking, to hacking, to being damned creative. I am a Blue Hat. And I just made that whole thing up.
Whackers: Mythical. Break into anything they can and destroy as much as possible. Make Black Hats seem like innocent school children. They are electronic terrorists.
Warez dudes:
Free software fest!!!!
MP3 dudes:
RIAA attacks them, because even though downloading music is the equivilant of copying a song on the radio to see if you like it, they whine because they may have to someday sell off one of their 300 BMWs.
Sneak:
Hired Hacker.
Business people will pay hackers to try and get in. And if you sit their saying how you shouldn't break into things, well, have fun being a broke ass. Who said it was wrong to know how? Blue Hat people are ideal, as they have morals and skill ;)
Gore - You missed out white hats :P
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Personally, I don't have a problem with crackers (i.e. the free software types) as long as they pay for software, (i.e. compilers that have been used for monetary gain, etc) as soon as they can (most people can't get the capital needed to shell out for a huge piece of software before selling any of it).
But, just to be devils advocate, if the software was being made freely to everyone, how would they make profit out of it? Think of the resources put into development, and then think how would they make profit, if it were legally available to everyone, as simply as by lending your mate a cd? In a way, it's comparable to slave children in africa, who make something of decent quality, and they then see minimal profit on it...
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As for the original question, very few people will use 'real' DOS nowadays, because it has somewhat limited capabilities... for example not being able to multitask, and having somewhat limited networking abilities.
I would say (in my opinion) most of the hacks that you hear about on CNN/BBC would be using *nix, because of the large array of scripts and tools available for it, hence they would be able to do something noteworthy... most viruses would be written using windows, as most viruses are for windows, and it would be easier to test them that way (hehe, just imagine virusing your own PC, so you can't get the virus executable, while trying to test it). Then there'd be a limited amount that uses windows, because it's the family PC, or the one down at the cyber cafe.
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Wow, I guess they would actually have to support it? Darn! LOL. Same way ALL Free Software makes money. Support.Quote:
But, just to be devils advocate, if the software was being made freely to everyone, how would they make profit out of it?
Actually, DOS 2000 is Multi User, and has networking features. I think IBM makes it.Quote:
As for the original question, very few people will use 'real' DOS nowadays, because it has somewhat limited capabilities... for example not being able to multitask, and having somewhat limited networking abilities.
I doubt that. I know a few virii writers, and they do not use Windows at all. They don't want to get infected ;)Quote:
I would say (in my opinion) most of the hacks that you hear about on CNN/BBC would be using *nix, because of the large array of scripts and tools available for it, hence they would be able to do something noteworthy... most viruses would be written using windows, as most viruses are for windows, and it would be easier to test them that way (hehe, just imagine virusing your own PC, so you can't get the virus executable, while trying to test it). Then there'd be a limited amount that uses windows, because it's the family PC, or the one down at the cyber cafe.
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Gore - You missed out white hats :P
what about gray hats :)
The gray hat became the ambiguous icon of hacktivism, the sometimes questionable practice of non-malicious probing of computers and networks for vulnerabilitiesm for entertainment, occasional fame, or notoriety.
http://hhi.corecom.com/blackorwhitehat.htm
that a very nice article too...
Yup that is that.
I don't know the guys at 29A too well, but I have a feeling they either dual boot or are confident enough in their coding abilities (they are geniuses) that it needs not be tested.Quote:
I doubt that. I know a few virii writers, and they do not use Windows at all. They don't want to get infected
Can you crack with a gray hat on ;)? I think it is lots of fun to do this stuff. See the protection schemes work and all that.Quote:
Cracker: Crack software to make it so people can get it for free, as most hackers believe information should be free, and not everyone has $20,000.00 for a peice of software they need. Richard Stallman was one of the first to keep this idea of software being shared alive. Everyone calls him a hero, but if you crack software, even with actual skill, you are a criminal to most.
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We should give a new color to script kiddies and a new color to the clueless.
How about yellow and pink?
Watch me get negged again for making a joke.
This about sums up each and every mother ****er out there. Lame really.Quote:
Cracker - A dumb white guy, a old person who once enjoyed playing with mainframes back in the 70s but now has moved on to things like encryption, or a guy or gal who has the same additude I have half the time only they need to perform various PC acts to prove it.
**** scenes. **** conformaty. **** labels & names. Yeah you probably don't like what I said so **** you, scum ****. You guys can call yourselves & other peaple what you want meanwhile im just going to do what I want and be the ******* that I am. But honest to god, Anyone who uses a computer to be called something ugh... this is like saying "I listen to punk to be known as a hardcore punk"... I mean doing one thing then because of that being called another... god whats the point.
*Slap* That's not funny at all. Oh, and uh welcome back Specialist.Quote:
We should give a new color to script kiddies and a new color to the clueless.
How about yellow and pink?
Watch me get negged again for making a joke.
-Cheers-
I don't think he missed the Gray's he just called them Blues. At least that's the way I see it. Correct me if I'm wrong gore.
:D Anyone who turns on their computer and hopes to be "called something" should from now on be called ASS-HAT!!! :D
Does that include people who want to be Ass-Hats? ^_6Quote:
Anyone who turns on their computer and hopes to be "called something" should from now on be called ASS-HAT!!!
YESH!!!!
-Cheers-