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Doodz
This thing has been bothering me fr quite sum time now-
If put this way dat hacking is not bad but actually productive dat it helps cure loopholes in software i.e. u try and hack into sumbody's territory and mean to cause no harm....u r actually trying to hack and then tell the one hacked dat there is sumthing wrong with his software....but u r caught while hacking then obviously ppl r gonna consider u a criminal then u actually get screwed wen u were trying to help....
You will be considered a criminal if no prior consent is approved or issued by the software company or the owner ... this is called penetration testin not Hacking ....
It is just like a robber who tries to open a door and got caught .... and he says ... "I was not stealing, I was just checking if the door is locked well" .... so if you caught someone trying to access your computer would you believe him if he told that he is testing how immune your system is?
intentions are never enough
That's rite dude but then hacking is a big gamble isnt it? Thanks to media blitzcreig how many ppl really hacking fr the gud feel safe today?
hacking is dangerous frm the point of view of companies 2. even if a company hires a professional hacker wat assurances does it have dat he will not break into the company's comp sum day and sell secrets to another rival company?
panther_black old chap,
What you have to consider is "consent"?.............now, there are members here who conduct security audits and penetration tests, and get paid very well for their skills..............it is an acceptable sector of the IT security industry.
My point would be that they have a letter of appointment, terms of reference, a "contract"........whatever you like to call it........ it means that what they are doing is at the request of, and with the permission of their client.
On the other hand, if you just blunder into someone's environment uninvited, expect to be treated as any other burglar? You cannot prove innocence if you do not have permission?
You also run the risk of being blamed for every **** up that the admins have made?
My advice: don't..............most people don't like being told they are "Richard Cranium Esquires"
;) :D
k u answer most of my mind boggling qstns....
i have another one though-
wat sort of tracks r left behind by a hacker...tell me both wich can be erased and wich cannot be?
Hey!
panther_black old chap, cut us some slack here?...........it would depend on the system being hacked, what logging and security tools were in operation, and all that?
Take a look at our "firewalls and honeypots" section............
Like this machine is running WinME..............there would be nothing...............other systems would have people in black masks adjusting the pitch of your voice with rubber truncheons (I do love my job :D ) within 30 seconds...........
Sorry, that is a very much "depends" scenario
I agree with both black cluster and Nihil if you intentionally hack someone's system without their expressed written consent you are in all kinds of worlds of hurt.Quote:
It is just like a robber who tries to open a door and got caught .... and he says ... "I was not stealing, I was just checking if the door is locked well" .... so if you caught someone trying to access your computer would you believe him if he told that he is testing how immune your system is?
But to answer your general question there are two basic ways I can find what you're doing on my systems:
1. is to check all the log files on my IDS... A network IDS is an intrusion detection system that checks patterns in network traffic origins, packet destinations/port numbers, and packets themselves for patterns of attack.
2. for each specific machine there should be some type of log file that tells you who did what, logged on from where, or what went wrong in general.
If you are a serious cracker (negative connotation) you would make sure you deleted the log file from the host machine that you gain access to, but well... good luck taking out a hardware based IDS that passivly monitors a network segment... best bet is to keep your auditing practice within your lan and the network testing of our own systems to us professionals.
Granted there are some folks/networks out there that are not security conscious, however for the most part; think of a child playing outside in mud puddles, then entering a clean house and walking on white carpet. Do you think someone could see and follow the tracks? How much noise did he make when he opened the door, etc., etc., etc.Quote:
wat sort of tracks r left behind by a hacker...tell me both wich can be erased and wich cannot be?
Don’t expect to be able to easily find and delete the logs.
So what will happen to you when you are detected? Might do nothing, set back and watch you, provide Bubba with a new toy, or as Nihil put so well:Obviously that varies; however the one truth that is absolute is that you do not have control of the consequences.Quote:
…people in black masks adjusting the pitch of your voice...
cheers
Analogy: - Hack into my territory, i.e my house, you are a criminal, I feel quite entitled to break your legs, at least, minimum, unless the dogs get you first(my firewall), apparently, we cannot actually kill you here in the UK (against the law). :DQuote:
Originally posted here by panther_black
Doodz i.e. u try and hack into sumbody's territory and mean to cause no harm....u r actually trying to hack and then tell the one hacked dat there is sumthing wrong with his software....but u r caught while hacking then obviously ppl r gonna consider u a criminal then u actually get screwed wen u were trying to help....
All this talk about hacking , cracking etc, has to be viewed in a historical sense. I have books where hackers are deemed to be hero's in terms of Unix etc, the books are in fact 30 yrs old. Todays kids have to define what they mean by hacking, I'm sure it is a totally different concept from mine. All these words are banndied about, with no idea of what they mean. different things to different people , age groups, practical computer experience,educational computer qualifications etc. If hacking to you means " Breaking into" for whatever reason , then you are a criminal.
Accessing information that is normally restricted, by invitation, request, customer problems, would not be seen by me as "breaking into" or considered hacking, only professional expertise and problem solving. Today's kids have a lot to learn about computers.
Name: Kanwalpreet
Occupation: Student for IIT
Age: 15
Location: Port Blair, Andaman and Nicobar Islands, India
A wannabe hacker
A 15 yr old wannabe hacker . Why the f*** do I waste my time? At my age RSI is a problem :D
Breaking into another person's system is only a gamble if you are not totally sure that you can get away with it undetected. If you are not, then you should not even consider it. From a moral standpoint, I'd say that you shouldn't consider it in any case.
Basically, if you had the skills necessary to break into someone's system and get away with it (for whatever reasons), you would not have to ask the question in the first place.
As far as the meaning of hacker goes, in my opinion it is someone who is at the top of their field, whatever that field may be, and who knows what they do so thoroughly that they can almost do anything. Not that this last part had any relevance to your question.
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Get away with it undetected... pfffft. Say what? First off, now lets assume that a good 96% of attacks are automated. This is usually why people still see what would appear to be instances of code-red four, five, six, maybe even seven years after the fact.
Now your just trying to be funny, Capt.Quote:
to us professionals.
Actually my grandma used quite alot of computers back then... from what she has said, at no point did she and her co-workers run around like a bunch of "t3h ****in' l33t h4xAaarrrRz". And if people called her names like that... she could have probably have gotten alot of jerks fired for it too.Quote:
All this talk about hacking , cracking etc, has to be viewed in a historical sense. I have books where hackers are deemed to be hero's in terms of Unix etc, the books are in fact 30 yrs old. Todays kids have to define what they mean by hacking, I'm sure it is a totally different concept from mine.
Just because I felt a need to quote it yet im beating a dead horse by posting any more but you know, I'd just like to share the fact that I've never in my life have seen someone toss the H word around outside the context of insults & jokes yet actually do anything particularly new or even as far as something cool with a computer.Quote:
Mean while its always the "hackers" who choose to be called that simply because it sounds cool. Computers for them aren't so much as anything other than some tool to fit into some mainly text based *cough "social setting"... its all about keeping their image in the hopes of being something. Anyone with a true interest in computers would realise that by now and just shut the hell up and enjoy messing around with their computers without the constant need to "be something".
Dear $diety in $utopia, give us a break. That is f$cking pathetic.Quote:
Originally posted here by panther_black
Doodz
This thing has been bothering me fr quite sum time now-
If put this way dat hacking is not bad but actually productive dat it helps cure loopholes in software i.e. u try and hack into sumbody's territory and mean to cause no harm....u r actually trying to hack and then tell the one hacked dat there is sumthing wrong with his software....but u r caught while hacking then obviously ppl r gonna consider u a criminal then u actually get screwed wen u were trying to help....
- http://www.m-w.com/
- http://cctc.commnet.edu/grammar/
- http://englishplus.com/grammar/
I understand that for many people, the primary language of this site (English) may not be their native tongue. But this isn't a case of not knowing English well.
As TheSpecialist has indicated, you throw the word "Hacker" and references to "Hacking" around the way Paris Hilton shows her genitalia around. Knock it off unless you really understand what you're talking about.
If you are trying to 'hack' someones computer to 'help' without their 'permission', you could very likely get 'ass-raped' while in 'prison'.
There is nothing ethical, proper, and in most places legal, in regards to 'hacking' a computer system where you don't have consent, permission, or authority to do so. How would you feel if you came out of your house and found some guy with tools under the hood of you car, doing things to it without your permission? Don't owna car? Ok, try this...how would you feel to come home and find some stranger doing things with your food, or water supply, or medication? Would that make you comfortable? Then why is it any different with a computer?
If you don't own it, leave it alone. As Black Cluster says, intentions are never enough. The best of intentions will still get you sent to sodomy-row in the penitentiary.
Let's cut right to the chase...if you don't have consent then don't do it...I don't believe for one minute ' good intentions ' are involved at all...otherwise you would perform the courtesy of getting the permission in the first place...you just want to see if you can ' hack ' a box or two and use that as an excuse to do it...and so you can try to use that excuse to get your butt out of the frying pan when you get caught.
' oh...but officer, if you look at my post on AO you'll see I wasn't trying to do anything...really! '
cough...ya, right...cough
Eg ;)
Aye!
The best hackers are normally those with the best intentions. Ever watched the movie "Sneakers"? They get paid for robbing banks. The same works for the major software developers. They pay you to hack into the software and identify the loopholes and loose threads. Of course, there is the non-disclosure/confidentiality clause for that.
Otherwise, any hacking activity you do would be considered as being done with malicious intent (no matter how "Samaritan" you may think you are), ergo constitutive of a criminal act.
BTW, anybody ever saw a study done on the psychological-social motivations of hackers? I'm mightily interested--yes, I know it's primarily ego--but since I have already obtained a study on the psycho-social motivations of terrorists, I might as well look for the case of hackers for my interest in cyberterrorism.
I thought that was Paris Hilton's second movie?Quote:
- MilitantEidolon
its so ****ing ridiculous how long this has gone on, i can't believe people still come here and ask about "hacking," post threads about "hacking," etc.. just keep the word "hacking," from entering a thread title, and we would get rid of 90% of this ****.
all these cats think they know whats going on in this techie world, its hilarious, really, to think about the enormous amounts of idiots who live and dream to crack their next box, or destroy their next network. It's a game, if anything, and a game they will all eventually lose. They aren't elite, never will be.
you real seniors know me, neggo.