MACS SUCK! PLEASE REMOVE THIS FORUM, PLEASE. Keep This Site Strictly Win And Linux Based. There Is No Room For Macs In This World.
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MACS SUCK! PLEASE REMOVE THIS FORUM, PLEASE. Keep This Site Strictly Win And Linux Based. There Is No Room For Macs In This World.
Greetings:
Mac security is relevant. We don't have any here, but a lot of organizations, including school districts, have hundreds of them on-site. Certainly we should provide a place for them to discuss any problems that arise.
'Macs suck'? Ever tried AutoCad and associates on a Mac? It'll blow your mind...Quote:
MACS SUCK! PLEASE REMOVE THIS FORUM, PLEASE. Keep This Site Strictly Win And Linux Based. There Is No Room For Macs In This World.
'Keep this site...'? So there's nothing but Win and Linux?
You might not like the 'Pokemon' look of the newer Macs, but they definitely have something to add to this forum. OS X is coooollll by the way.
BTW, about Pokemon... JP, what's with the avatars? You scanned all of your Pokemon cards? You've got quite a collection, I must say ;-)
BTW II: the Great Smurf (or whatever you call him back there) - and the Smurfs in general - is a Belgian cartoon. And there's a copyright on it... lol
Sorry JP, but dont u think it's a little pathetic for me to have to start this forum off by saying, MACS SUCK! . I mean if someone accually cared about this forum it would have been started off already bu someone........
But i mean it's your site dude.
You'll get a new change!
ONE new change!
NOW make your point!
If you don't like discussing Mac security...if you don't like Macs, then don't look in this forum. It isn't that hard. No one is going to force you to talk about Mac stuff if you just view the Win and Linux forums. If no one uses it, no one uses it, but if someone wants to, why shouldn't they be able to? geesh...
real mature...
macs are far superior to pcs. everyone with a pc should burn it and buy a g4.
Everyone I have talked to who owns a mac is in love with them. They tell me to rush out and get one ASAP. Problem is that my computer does everything I need and want it to do for now. Also why should I pay $2500+ for a top of the line mac when I could build a faster and more powerful PC for less.
Macs don't suck, ppl who don't know anything bout Apple or it's background will tell you that.
And yes it's true not everyone can afford one. BUT rumor has it that Apple is working on a i386 version of Mac OS just like Sun who recently released Solaris for intel architectures.
Why all the energy to spread hate for a platform? Any Mac that can run OSX is worth more than any PC running 95/NT by virtue of functionality/looks/and politics.
I hate Macs, but they do exist. They are computers. Some people do like them. I feel this is reason enough to keep Mac related forums and articles on AO. My disliking of Mac is my very own opinion. This is the same with those who do like Mac. If it is out there you might as well become familiar with it. It is another step in the learning process. We may not like all products, but study, is for the mind and study everything we should.
Alive to Learn,
Macs, in my humble opinion do suck. I have never liked the interface that seems to be a prevelent style in Macintosh.
Oh well though, they do process quickly and are great for CGI, CAD, and the like. But I think fall short to the PC market in affordablity, applicaion versatility, and of course who make games for Macs these days.
I would say keep Mac alive for the sheer reason to keep Microsoft at bay with SOME kind of competition however small.
(That evil alien Bill Gates is only a few moves away from complete world domination.)
I used to be a PC user for many years. However have now switched over to Mac and have a G4. The G4 is far superior. It takes a little while to adopt to a new Operating system but when you do, you will find it more user friendly and more stable then a Windows platform. The G4 is the First home supercomputer running a 128 bit processor rather than a 64 bit processor like PC. This gives hugh power gains. A 400MHz G4 will kick ass over a 800MHz Pentium 4. The new G4's with twin and faster processors are better again.Quote:
Originally posted by ThePreacher
Everyone I have talked to who owns a mac is in love with them. They tell me to rush out and get one ASAP. Problem is that my computer does everything I need and want it to do for now. Also why should I pay $2500+ for a top of the line mac when I could build a faster and more powerful PC for less.
Main advantage is every time PC upgrade and release a new model the last is made redundant. You are left to throw away your RAM, Processor and Motherboard and start again. Where as an old Mac can have the latest Processor adapted to it. Thus you can keep cost down over the long term by only upgrading components as you require them.
A Mac is also very versitile with programs. True there are not very many games for the Mac but their Graphics and other programs are superior. You can still run all your old PC software on a Mac anyway! I have Virtual PC which runs PC ver Win`98. My old games and apps work without a problem.
Take a good look at the new Macs before you make up your mind.
:cool:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Negative
[B]
Huh?
1. PhotoShop 6.0, filters Artistic/Palette Knife, Artistic/Wrap and Sketch/Water paper on an image:
Mac G4 867 MHz, 128 RAM: 52 seconds for a tiff-image, 2 minutes 27 seconds for a jpg.
Now, let's bring in a Packard Bell Pentium IV 1.7 GHZ: 34 seconds for the tiff, 1 minute 37 seconds for the jpg.
2. Office-document, 485.500 words, 2.889.350 characters, Search and Replace action - 39.160 replacements:
Mac: 1 minute, 8 seconds
Packard Bell: 20 seconds
Point 1:
Is it fair comparing a 867MHz processor to a 1.7GHz processor.
Point 2:
Office is by Microsoft, written for PC and then addapted to run on a Mac. Maybe why it does not run as fast on a Mac but then also refer to (Point 1).
Microsoft products are often very unstable. They also cause security problems with Mac. A mac without Microsoft products is only susceptable to a few viruses. Add a few Microsoft products and it becomes increasingly susceptable to a few thousand viruses. I don't know why anyone wants the Mac ver of Windows anyway. MSOffice is usefull but only because gready Bill Gates holds the monopoly and there isn't many products to choose which are equivelent.
:cool:
Huh?Quote:
Originally posted by McBennet
The G4 is far superior. (...) A 400MHz G4 will kick ass over a 800MHz Pentium 4.
1. Comparing MACs and PCs is stupid: there are no benchmarks to compare the speed of both systems, and there aren't that many components you can base your tests on.
2. Apple keeps saying (you don't work for Apple, do you?) that its most recent G4s are x times faster than the most recent Pentiums. A Belgian magazine wanted to check this out, and did some tests using a good old chronometer.
Here are the results:
1. PhotoShop 6.0, filters Artistic/Palette Knife, Artistic/Wrap and Sketch/Water paper on an image:
Mac G4 867 MHz, 128 RAM: 52 seconds for a tiff-image, 2 minutes 27 seconds for a jpg.
Pentium III 733 MHz, 128 RAM: 1 minute 44 seconds for the same tiff, 5 minutes 9 seconds for the jpg.
The Mac is the winner!
Now, let's bring in a Packard Bell Pentium IV 1.7 GHZ: 34 seconds for the tiff, 1 minute 37 seconds for the jpg.
OUCH!
2. Office-document, 485.500 words, 2.889.350 characters, Search and Replace action - 39.160 replacements:
Mac: 1 minute, 8 seconds
Pentium III: 1 minute
Packard Bell: 20 seconds
OUCH!
Did I already mention that that Packard Bell costs 1.000 USD less than the G4?
a few days ago my wife and i were discussing getting laptops, i was willing to get a second-hand x86 linux-able laptop or brand new one, and we had decided to get her an ibm thinkpad 42m or something which we saw in the mall. a few hours later we saw a mac stall in the same mall and now she wants the silver ibook that we saw there. anyway, the point is, i would rather her use mac than windows, and linux is slightly too complicated for her. the mac should be ample for what she wants to do (surf the net, email, make documents). there will be no need to worry about her getting a nasty vbs script/worm/virus or someone trying to portscan if for sub7 or netbus.. so i am all up for it.:)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Negative
[B]
Huh?
1. Comparing MACs and PCs is stupid: there are no benchmarks to compare the speed of both systems, and there aren't that many components you can base your tests on.
2. Apple keeps saying (you don't work for Apple, do you?) that its most recent G4s are x times faster than the most recent Pentiums. A Belgian magazine wanted to check this out, and did some tests using a good old chronometer.
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I was not trying to get into the nitty gritty of which computer is faster for running individual applications. There are many tests done.
http://www.techtv.com/news/story/0,2...339307,00.html
Comparing a 733MHz G4 against an out weighted 1.8GHz Windows PC.
http://www.barefeats.com/pentium.html
Pentium 4 1.4GHz, Athlon 1GHz, and Dual Power Mac G4/500MHz
http://content.techweb.com/wire/story/TWB19980821S0021
Compare a G3 against an equivilant Pentium II.
"However, data from Apple and NSTL indicate that because CPU performance is only one of many factors that contribute to system performance, users won't experience nearly the same increase in speed. In tests using Adobe Photoshop, which also stress a computer's memory architecture, disk, and video, Apple claims a 33 percent improvement over a similar 266-MHz Intel PC. NSTL found similar results using its Photoshop test when comparing the G3 to 266-MHz computers, but a 300-MHz G3 finished only about 5 percent faster than a PC using an AMD K6-2 processor."
I have used both Mac and PC. I dont realy care about benchmark tests. PC may be faster on a few things and Mac on others. I have overall found my Mac better. My main argument was being able to upgrade a Mac. What happens to your Packard Bell which may cost 1.000 USD less than the G4 now! But how much will it cost in a couple of years time when you have to throw it away and buy the Pentium 5 because you cannot upgrade it. While I will put a G5 chip into my existing G4 and add a bit of RAM.
Mac it is more stable and user friendly. That is why you buy a Mac!
In your own test you are comparing a Mac G4 867 MHz and Packard Bell Pentium IV 1.7 GHz. I would hope that a processor running over twice the speed would deliver twice the output but it doesn't. It is just running hotter and burning out quicker.
:rolleyes:
Well, I'd buy myself a brand new PC with the 1000 USD I saved last time ;)Quote:
Originally posted by McBennet
What happens to your Packard Bell which may cost 1.000 USD less than the G4 now! But how much will it cost in a couple of years time when you have to throw it away and buy the Pentium 5 because you cannot upgrade it. While I will put a G5 chip into my existing G4 and add a bit of RAM.
Well, no need to shout, man!Quote:
In your own test you are comparing a Mac G4 867 MHz and Packard Bell Pentium IV 1.7 GHz. I would hope that a processor running over twice the speed would deliver twice the output but it doesn't. It is just running hotter and burning out quicker.
It's not my test, it's a test conducted by a Belgian magazine, using rather unorthodox methods to check Apple's statement about the G4-speed. I'm not a MAC-basher; if I were, I would have left out the results in favor of the MAC... ;)
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mcbennet
I think the point of the post is for those who believe that all macs (regardless of processor speed) are faster than PCs. The other obvious point is that you are going to save a lot of money building a faster, more powerful PC.Quote:
Originally posted by Negative
In your own test you are comparing a Mac G4 867 MHz and Packard Bell Pentium IV 1.7 GHz. I would hope that a processor running over twice the speed would deliver twice the output but it doesn't. It is just running hotter and burning out quicker.
:rolleyes:
Right now my 433mhz is a lot faster than my sisters 600mhz. Why? I spent a lot of time playing with the software, and hardware tweeking for maximum speed. Also I believe that win 98se(which I run) runs faster than windows me(which she runs). Ive seen the new macs but have yet to use them. Im curious, but at the same time I know I wont be able to afford it unless I sell my soul. At the same time I can throw down $500 and upgrade my computer to be much faster than the mac, with more software.Quote:
Originally posted by mcbennet
A 400MHz G4 will kick ass over a 800MHz Pentium 4.
OKay listen up..
Older Macintosh's are OK.. not for the serious geek.. They are designed for the newbies.
Now the NEW Macintoshes that run OS X.. Thats Freakin Awesome
A mac running UNIX.. Literally UNIX.. So if you knock the new macs.. You are saying UNIX sucks.. The macintosh's gui can be disabled and boot to the UNIX PROMPT!!!
You can Compile UNIX programs and run it as an AMAZING UNIX server..
Lets see here.. buy a very expensive UNIX Sparc System..
Or get a top of the line mac box for $3000 that is running unix..
So the new macs are awesome.. They can be for the newbie.. And for the true GEEK...
MACS are making up for the many years of crap.
Now The problem I have is with WINDOWS XP.. but thats another forum....
BTW im a IBM/Compatible type of guy.. not a mac guy.. but the new OS X is completely awesome.
Actually, Macintoshes don't need to be for newbies and running a *nix system on Mac isn't new. Yellow Dog Linux, PPCLinux and SUSE are all versions of Linux that run on PowerPC. Heck, if you have older Macs MKLinux (I believe) has a version that runs on the Motorola 68000s.
I do want to make one point. Putting blinders on and saying "This OS Sucks!" or "That OS Sucks!" isn't the best in this day and age of interoperatibility. Ideally, you should keep your mind open to all the variety out there. Now, granted, I'm not a big fan of MS (that's another story) but I do recognize that I like DOS (simple, straightforward and no pain in the ass probs), I like Win98SE as a desktop OS (runs good on MACHINES DESIGNED for it), and I like/very impressed with Win2K Adv Server.
I also use (yes, at home I have a small LAN) Novell 5.1, Mac OS 9.1 (2 machines), Yellow Dog Linux and Red Hat 7.1 (soon to be FreeBSD). I have somewhere between 6-8 machines (I can never keep track). Each one has their benefits over the other for the "thing" they were designed for. I know that I can teach or learn any OS that is out there because I have had the flexibility to learn how all these OSes and a few more work (apparently on my resume I know 9 different OSes).
So before you go and say that this OS sucks or that OS sucks, perhaps you should figure out why you are saying it sucks.
Granted Linux is a FORM of unix.. Macs literally run a unix based system.. in other words linux program would not compile on a OSX machine.. But unix programs will...
so Im not refering to *nix.. im refering to UNIX..
Sweet huh?
Sorry guys.. but I think you all should just shut it.
This is an age-long argument that has been gone over trillions of times and will never come to any resolution. Mac users preach for the Mac.. PeeCee users preach for the PeeCee.. and the select few of us that realize a good balance of both works great just sit on the side.
So everyone.. shut the hell up! :D
Another reason to get an Apple Mac, no script kiddies are gonna haxor ur box. You ask a kid to hack into a Mac, they will turn their cheek and look for a windows machine. Much easier target!
[As a frequent windows user, the Mac OS seems pretty strange to me. But I'm new to Macs, and I'm still learning about Mac OS.]
Another reason is that many government agencies are using Mac because there's less viruses and trojan horse programs running in the wild.
Well, then there's Mac OS X which is based in part on unix. If you love linux, wouldn't an OS based on unix be the same??
Well, that's my two cents on the subject.
When I saw Mac's Suck in the main Antionline page I was intrigued. I arrived and before long realised that it was the only time I ever looked in the Mac Forum [this is my virgin Mac forum post].
Just because Windows is the most used OS in the world dosent mean we should all say 'Whats the point in a Unix forum'. Well like Linux users they are the minority[ not really here, quite a following] like Mac users are.
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Originally posted by ThePreacher
Ive seen the new macs but have yet to use them. Im curious, but at the same time I know I wont be able to afford it unless I sell my soul. At the same time I can throw down $500 and upgrade my computer to be much faster than the mac, with more software.
If you think that you can keep upgrading your PC to be better then a Mac, then I am happy for you.
I used to try to keep upgrading my PC but it was costing me more in the long term. :killcompu:
I don't know about more software. :confused: I have "Virtual PC 4.0", with it I can run any PC windows based programs on my Mac. I have "Connectix VGS" which I can play Sony Playstation Games. Plus I can use the range of Mac and Unix programs.
I would suggest that if you haven't used the new Mac's then you really don't know what you are talking about.
I have been using PC for more then 10 years and still have to use them at work and with friends. I have owned a Mac G4 for a year and already prefer it to PC. I would recomend before you start preaching about PC, to actually use a new Mac for a period of time so you can talk from experience.
:argue:
I too hated Mac a few years ago. However they have changed a lot over the last few years. Their iMac's, G3's and G4's are great! As long as Apple keep working in the right direction I won't go back to PC. :thumbsup:
:rolleyes: You people are nutz i mean Macs really do suck put that in your head they have macs in my school and they are not geek toys first of all you cant do crap with them sure they are fast but if you want to be on your way to the top you save yourself lots of money by getting a PC. First of all the mac o/s is trash i hate the way its set up and its trash macs are trash the name mac is trash the only thing that i like that contains the word "mac" in it is a Big Mac i can get in Mc Donalds so mac computers can go to H311
"In Fifty years when the United States becomes a socialist state, who do you think the people will choose? (Your answer here) My answer: Mac of course. PC and Linux are too democratic for them to survive. Let them choose what type of computer and OS I am to have. I am here to serve Mac."
This is one possible future between PC and Mac. Scary huh? Mac Groupies are just cult members behind the veil of a pretty cool logo. Anybody have any possible futures for the Mac?
Typed on a Mac, but networked to a PC.
I know I shouldn't add to this forum's lengthy if fruitless debate, but I wanted to add a few thoughts.Quote:
Originally posted by MsMittens
Actually, Macintoshes don't need to be for newbies and running a *nix system on Mac isn't new. Yellow Dog Linux, PPCLinux and SUSE are all versions of Linux that run on PowerPC. Heck, if you have older Macs MKLinux (I believe) has a version that runs on the Motorola 68000s.
I've been running Debian for about a year now on an old SE/30 I had lying around and it sits there being a static file-server day in day out. This computer has been with me for the last ten years since I wrote my thesis on it (which included 3D protein diagrams and POV-ray pictures). Sure - I was setting up colours whilst watching "1 bit" black and white, but they sure looked pretty when I printed out the enzymes on the RGB printer. Once OS 8.0 came in for good, I turned to a *nix solution to carry on. OK so the bus is a little slow for now, but the
The other side of the coin, recently my PIs and PIIs have had a new lease of life with the LRP (Linux Router Project) moving in. Suddenly we are back in the old days where 4Mb RAM was a lot of RAM. You can get versions of LRP to load up on a 4Mb RAM chip and still have room for a 2Mb RAM disk for logs. (...brings me back to programming the old 48k Spectrums and the BEEB). Suddenly, I have an excellent firewall, VPN client/server all running on something that goes for less than 5% of a new machine.
I suppose my point is that whether a Mac is faster than a PC is should not what we should be discussing - that's what the manufacturers want us to do. Instead we should concentrate on how we can write stuff (and reward writers of software) that doesn't need Mbs of RAM and disk space to function.
Which is easier to program..? Well, surely we can bring back the "good ol days" on the purity of *nix's in time...
Cheers,
PS. I haven't tried putting on a LR on the SE/30, it may be fun to give it a try, given it's all run in memory, I could add apache and keep my fileserver as well :> after all it's all about trying new stuff.
Macs are ok by me... Thats all I have to say about that...
Keepen it real
FreeAgent
Both Macs and PCs have their own Pros and Cons.
It is a given that Macs ARE BETTER for graphic design and editing. I have heard that even IBM has macs in their graphic department.
I prefer PCs because I program them and I have been a happy owner for 7 years. I started on a PC and hated MACs but, I have now grown accustomed to them.
If you are going to purchase a new computer, really think about what you do. Whether it's gaming, E-Mail, Typing Reports, or even just browseing the web.
I have found that games and programming is better (in my own opinion) on a PC, while graphic design/editing is n-times's better on a MAC. If you are just going to be browsing the web, or typing, or the sort, it doesn't matter what platform you use. It's all about preferance.
-Peace Out
-=Peabody=-
FU*K Mac!!!!!
i have to say system overlaord so far i have not been impressed by your posts they have not been much thought into them just radom i think im 1337nees but this has taken the cake **** mac no honestly macs are faster than most of ur pentiums thes days name 1 pentium that can be called a super computer? didnt think so g4's are os x is probably the most stable commercial os beats windows by like 100 times so before u post do ur reaserch please
I agree, and I also think this thread has to be closed, it has been going on for quite some time.Quote:
Originally posted by RiOtEr
i have to say system overlaord so far i have not been impressed by your posts they have not been much thought into them just radom i think im 1337nees but this has taken the cake **** mac no honestly macs are faster than most of ur pentiums thes days name 1 pentium that can be called a super computer? didnt think so g4's are os x is probably the most stable commercial os beats windows by like 100 times so before u post do ur reaserch please
Macs don´t suck, but then again that´s my opinion.
This thread seems to really bring out the trolls and flames... gee, I wonder why...
I'm a mac user myself, I am certainly glad I'm not on windows.