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Julien McArdle had come up with a great video showing home users some basics that can keep them more secure online. Good Stuff:
http://www.jmcardle.com/eynto.php
/edit:Ok, it does have it's faults, I did not finish it all before posting the link. Still, for some non-tech folks I think it's a pretty good intro.
Holy crap. That thing is huge. You'd think that more people hosting this type of thing would offer it in a torrent. Faster downloads with the more people downloading and saves a TON of bandwidth...
maybe they think that home users won't be able to use a torrent... but what better time to teach them? they could still offer their download AND a torrent... I'm sure some people would know what to do with it.
Disregard the torrent....
I downloaded it in good faith to see if it could be cut to CD and lent to the users who were interested.....
After watching the first 10 minutes I was more bored, confused and pissed off about silly little boys trying to tell me about how to "secure" my computer I killed it.....
That might be a wonderful way to make the MTV watchers of this world to "secure" their computer.... But it reaches about 1% of this world...
Mrs. McCardle's "little boy" is far from credible... I didn't watch far enough into it to determine if he actually can come up with effective methods that people can understand.... Maybe that's my mistake... But 10 minutes of 60 is a good sample....
It's rubbish that only the MTV kids might watch.... But will they remember anything _important_ that was said, (assuming anything important _was_ said).
My analysis:
It's a bullshit little kid that thinks he knows something that has too much money, (from his parents), to be able to buy the tools required to make a rubbish video about computer security, all the while hoping that someone, anyone, will take him seriously...
Those who do..... Beware.... You are trusting an idiot.......
Was I clear?
I thought it was pretty good for an amateur effort. Non-tech college kids wanting to secure the computer/network a their dorm or apartment would be more likely to watch a video than read a tutorial unfortunately. Was there something specific you did not like about the content TS? I know it’s not geared towards you (or many here on AO), but I could see how some of the kids on my campus might have use for some of the material.
I watched the video from start to finish. In my own opionion the video seems to bash microsoft products a lot like Internet Explorer and Outlook express. Also I know what tiger shark means by boring. For low budget movies that takes the cake. But I do give credit were credit is due. The kid did a decent job and I can see where NOVICE users would really be interrested in this.
Uh... He's recommending a software firewall over a hardware firewall.
Thats crazy! He said that hardware firewalls can't block outgoing traffic... ROFL
Not to mention that he called a linksys router a "firewall"... When I think of hardware firewall I think of Cisco Pix or Checkpoint... Not some NAT Router that is so inflexible.
I guess I have to keep the home user in mind... not like they're going to buy some $500-2000 hardware device to protect a couple of PCs... unless they're crazy like me.
IMO, hardware and software firewalls should be used together. I think one of the good things about software firewalls are they can block application specific traffic. Well.. sometimes. This article will make you think twice about software firewalls.
http://securityfocus.com/infocus/1831
I had to stop the video. I'll put it off for a rainy day. Well... maybe one of those days where I'm too sick to do anything...
Annoying video.
Irongeek... you could have made this video 1000 times better without misinformation. You research... this guy doesn't know what the hell he is talking about. His opinions/information is biased...
They say first impressions are everything. Not a very good first impression.
Hey Hey,
I've yet to watch the video.. (it's downloading right now... at 600kB/s i might add (we just had our cap raised))....
But phish mentioned a torrent... if you visit the homepage.. There are actually two download links and a torrent http://www.jmcardle.com/wordpress/ -- Torrent.
While I see where all of you come from.... from what I'm hearing, it sounds, like IronGeek says, like a good video for residence students....
CN22: To the average end user IE and OE are knowing to be the cause of a lot of their problems... They tend to blame the software.... Maybe this is there way of speaking to their intended audience, instead of over their heads (which would be a waste of time because people would stop paying attention)....
Phish: I can see where the hardware firewall is coming from... again from a home users point of view... the linksys router that you have is a hardware firewall and compared to that linksys... a software firewall is better....
I'll give feedback when I watch the video (now that it's finished downloading)..
Peace,
HT
Hey Hey,
I just watched the first half of the video.. and I must say I was fairly impressed... My roommate (who works for a computer security company) said that the author would have no problem finding a job upon graduation.... and I would have agreed.... I was actually considering taking it into my boss and making arrangements to have it shown to incoming residence students.... it's basically exactly what they need to see... It's not 100% accurate, but it covers the information as it's relevent to the end user... Then I started seeing problems..
The MS Bashing is definately evident. I agree that IE (prior to SP2) shouldn't be used for daily browsing.. and even with SP2 it's dicey at times... however he fails to mention that with SP2 comes a pop-up blocker in the new version of IE.... I also agree about OE... I think it's a useless POS and agree that Thunderbird is much better to use in that regards... however I prefer the Outlook 2003 for email purposes... The big problem came when he got into malware... he based MS AntiSpyware and misrepresented it... It's amazing software that finds more than it should... but like a discussion in another thread.. VNC could be used as a trojan (his argument on the bottom of the screen was that VNC is not malicious software).. it it could be... and on an end users machine, it probably is... AntiSpyware is used quite frequently at work and it is definately a handy piece of software to have in your aresenal.
From there he goes downhill... This once nicely done amateur video that would have made a decent addition to any portfolio because pure garbage... The insertion of the first "commercial" which has references to fellatio was very inappropriate... Then he goes into downloading illegal files and the best way to find them... This was where I stopped watching... in the beginning he also said that he'd cover how to install cracked games... I'm not sure who he was trying to impress, but it definately wasn't me.... It was definately a let down in the end..... If he cut it at 30 minutes and removed the commercials and modified his MS AntiSpyware blurb... and maybe laid off IE/OE a little more then he'd have himself a great lil show for the end user.... something he could prolly sell to the local cable station and something that would definately be used in colleges and university residences for user training..
Anyways... that's my two cents..
Peace,
HT
I skimmed through it. Kind of embarrasing to watch a kid videotape himself. Not a big deal, if he gets a kick out of it then more power to him.
Like I said, I skimmed through it. I didn't see any mention of visiting Windows Update. If there's one thing I have to tell someone about security, it's to update. Please tell me he mentioned something about it.
btw, I figured I'd show this off while I have it for the next few weeks. Then it's gone for the summer. :(
Wow.. ! What kinda line are you using?! Show-off! :PQuote:
Originally posted here by Soda_Popinsky
btw, I figured I'd show this off while I have it for the next few weeks. Then it's gone for the summer. :(
Damn you Soda, stealing my wireless connection again are you ?
Hey, I'm the person who did the video.
First off; all the comments with the exception of Tiger Shark are valid. TigerShark, I really, really, REALLY resent your comments; uncalled for and utterly false (I pay $150 rent monthly to live in the home with my parents; I work 80hour weeks in the summer so that I have enough money to afford to go to school. I used a digital camera w/ 30 second movie mode plus a broken tripod to film the movie; not one of them fancy movie cameras.)
Okee. Now that's out of the way. Soda, you're right. I didn't mention Windows Update. But I assumed the audience already knew about it. Which brings me to my next point: who was my audience.
I used to staff at a warez forum. When I was writing the script, I was writing to answer the top 10 questions we received in our support section. That was my audience. As such some basic knowledge was assumed.
But the warez-oriented audience explains why there's a whole section on downloading. On that topic, HTRegz, you made mention of illegal downloading. Its all about one's moral standings. I am of the belief that: music sharing increases sales (as radio and other mediums fail miserably at delivering new bands to users who would otherwise be hesitant at paying for a $30 CD they never heard of before). I am also of the belief that minor software priced at $3,000 wouldnt be purchased yearly by individuals; and that the pricing targets the organisations that can afford buying 10 such products at a time. Likewise, I believe that a game that is utter crap will not be purchased either way. That is my opinion. Share it or not, it forms the basis of my decisions for this show.
The MS Bashing I honestly didn't notice until it was made mention of here. Valid point in retrospect, likewise appreciated. As for MS Anti-spyware; I still stand by my points, and not just based on the results that were aired. IE got an annoying spyware ad; MS Antispy didnt catch it. Just many stories of the like. As for the insertion of commercials it was for humour. Ahh yes. Humour. Keep interest. Target audience was a young crowd; some enjoy such humour, some don't. I assumed that the audience that I was targetting this for would.
Is this video biased? Damn straight. I never pretend otherwise. I expresses my viewpoint on issues. For one, its done to simplify many complex situations.
Ultimately the moral is that no one is forced to watch or enjoy the video. If you didnt enjoy it, so be it. If you did, great. This is my only comment on the video; lest anyone say anything which absolutely requires me to reply.
However, I do appreciate all your honesty. Except again for Tigershark, which was more along the lines of trolling.
if anyone has the video and is willing to upload it onto my ftp that would be great - looks like Seal has hit his transfer limit (its denying downloads)
PM me for ftp details - ta
v_Ln
It's still working for me. The script is designed to cutoff downloads at the 350 mark; we're still at 209. I'll PM you the direct link however.
Seal: I watched the rest of your video. You showed the home user a lot more than I think they can understand... I've been in this field a while now... I've come to the conclusion that the end user is an idiot and trying to educate them is useless. They simply don't care. I know from experience.
Otherwise... a lot of your info was perfectly valid. I just found your video to be biased. When I'm "learning", I want info from both sides. But then again... I never read just one source. I get multiple opinions.
You skated through every topic so quickly that if I didn't already know about what you were talking about... I'd be lost. You should have broken it up into several different videos. You covered too many topics and didn't spend enough time on any of them. To us... it all makes perfect sense... but to "them"... its Greek.
I understand what audience you were targeting... and thats why I say what I said. I work with end users all the time. They simply don't care or don't understand. The ones that do care need it spelled out for them.
Talk to irongeek. Together... you two could make some kickass video tutorials.
Best of luck to you.
Irongeek also makes tutorial videos? Are they available for download?
Wow??? A Whooping $150/month?? How do you afford it.... Do you pay for food and utilities on top of that?? You must be pretty hard up.. As for 80 hour weeks.... Do you want some pity? You aren't going to find any of that here... especially when you look at some of your other comments in the future... You do that for 4 months.... must be hard... My roommate works 70-75 Hours a week all year round.... and that's not counting lunch hours... something most people tend to add in when they calculate a work day... But help yourself to a cookie... you've earned it.Quote:
Originally posted here by Seal
Hey, I'm the person who did the video.
First off; all the comments with the exception of Tiger Shark are valid. TigerShark, I really, really, REALLY resent your comments; uncalled for and utterly false (I pay $150 rent monthly to live in the home with my parents; I work 80hour weeks in the summer so that I have enough money to afford to go to school. I used a digital camera w/ 30 second movie mode plus a broken tripod to film the movie; not one of them fancy movie cameras.)
Your audience would know about Windows Update... but not SpyBot and AdAware??? I find that hard to believe.... Considering who you mention your target audience to be. Last time I checked crack sites are riddled with viruses and malware.Quote:
Okee. Now that's out of the way. Soda, you're right. I didn't mention Windows Update. But I assumed the audience already knew about it. Which brings me to my next point: who was my audience.
Walking around advertising you work with a warez site?? It's not something to be proud of.Quote:
I used to staff at a warez forum. When I was writing the script, I was writing to answer the top 10 questions we received in our support section. That was my audience. As such some basic knowledge was assumed.
Where do you buy your CDs that you pay $30??? Minor software priced at 3000 wouldn't be purchased yearly??? That doesn't make any sense.... Pay for the software or don't use it.... I've yet to see a $3000 product that the home user would require.. As for games, that's the worst philosophy I've ever heard.. You at least could have come up with a better excuse for it... It's also not about morals, but about the law... I'm pretty sure that the RIAA or MPAA or a number of other groups would be interested to see your video... and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like the results... Piracy is illegal plain and simple. Your video could get you some fun court time if people really wanted to be *****s about it... Doesn't sound like the brightest thing you could be doing.Quote:
But the warez-oriented audience explains why there's a whole section on downloading. On that topic, HTRegz, you made mention of illegal downloading. Its all about one's moral standings. I am of the belief that: music sharing increases sales (as radio and other mediums fail miserably at delivering new bands to users who would otherwise be hesitant at paying for a $30 CD they never heard of before). I am also of the belief that minor software priced at $3,000 wouldnt be purchased yearly by individuals; and that the pricing targets the organisations that can afford buying 10 such products at a time. Likewise, I believe that a game that is utter crap will not be purchased either way. That is my opinion. Share it or not, it forms the basis of my decisions for this show.
You had something that AntiSpyware didn't find and that was your basis?? Like I said your 'on air' points about AntiSpyware weren't relevent and you're excuse about it missing something is even worse.... You admitted that Spybot and AdAware were only 80% effective... yet you gave them kudos... This post was the worst thing you could have done... I'm losing more respect for you and your video... Now that I think about it the whole 80% effective + 80% effective = 100% effective that you advertised was dead wrong... Perhaps you should go do some research next time before you spout random unwarrented opinions.Quote:
The MS Bashing I honestly didn't notice until it was made mention of here. Valid point in retrospect, likewise appreciated. As for MS Anti-spyware; I still stand by my points, and not just based on the results that were aired. IE got an annoying spyware ad; MS Antispy didnt catch it. Just many stories of the like. As for the insertion of commercials it was for humour. Ahh yes. Humour. Keep interest. Target audience was a young crowd; some enjoy such humour, some don't. I assumed that the audience that I was targetting this for would.
No one was forced to watch it... but you dimished the initial point of your video... and now with this post you've sucken to an even lower level... As for TigerSharks words... while harsh.. there's a lot of honesty in them...Quote:
Is this video biased? Damn straight. I never pretend otherwise. I expresses my viewpoint on issues. For one, its done to simplify many complex situations.
Ultimately the moral is that no one is forced to watch or enjoy the video. If you didnt enjoy it, so be it. If you did, great. This is my only comment on the video; lest anyone say anything which absolutely requires me to reply.
However, I do appreciate all your honesty. Except again for Tigershark, which was more along the lines of trolling.
When I started the video I had some respect for you... Here was a guy trying to make things easier and better for the end user.... I was wrong... You're some snot-nosed, spoiled little geek. It's a good thing it's 3am and I have insomnia... otherwise I'd be mad at myself for replying to your post.
Peace,
HT
ROFLMAO.... Seal.... Trolling.... for what.... Sure as hell didn't expect to find you here....Quote:
However, I do appreciate all your honesty. Except again for Tigershark, which was more along the lines of trolling.
Despite you protestations about how hard you work I stand by my comments. To reiterate and to demonstrate how little credibility you still maintain:-
1. I D/Led it in good faith to see if it could be of use to my users.
2. I watched the first ten minutes and was bored and confused.
3. As presented the information has a very limited audience.
4. I pointed out that not watching all of it might have been a mistake, but point 2 above is salient here
5. I said you think you know something which others here, (who's judgement I trust), seem to agree you don't after watching the entire thing.
You appreciate honesty except when it is direct, to the point and contradicts your opinion of your own work.... Then it's a troll? Son, you need to grow up a little, I might be your boss one day in the not too distant future, then you'll experience the honesty first hand. It's not any prettier.
Now, take Phish's advice and talk to Iron. I have trust and respect for both. Iron knows his stuff and when he doesn't he researches it thoroughly before presenting it to others. The combination of his knowledge and presentation skills coupled with your ability to cut together video etc. might come up with something I was hoping your video was in the first place. If you do I might be prepared to pay for it.... But ethically you probably wouldn't want me to, would you?
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Originally posted here by HTRegz
Wow??? A Whooping $150/month?? How do you afford it.... Do you pay for food and utilities on top of that?? You must be pretty hard up.. As for 80 hour weeks.... Do you want some pity? You aren't going to find any of that here... especially when you look at some of your other comments in the future... You do that for 4 months.... must be hard... My roommate works 70-75 Hours a week all year round.... and that's not counting lunch hours... something most people tend to add in when they calculate a work day... But help yourself to a cookie... you've earned it.
Did I ever say its a "whopping" $150? No, but it does mean that I'm not some kind of richkid that gets tons of money from my parents as Tigershark implied. It was to debunk that comment. No need for immature sarcasm on your part. I did it for 4 months true. The rest was 30 hours + full time school. No, I don't expect a cookie; likewise to debunk that theory. Or am I to be compared to your friend all the time?
Not the good ones.Quote:
Your audience would know about Windows Update... but not SpyBot and AdAware??? I find that hard to believe.... Considering who you mention your target audience to be. Last time I checked crack sites are riddled with viruses and malware.
Did I ever say I was proud?Quote:
Walking around advertising you work with a warez site?? It's not something to be proud of.
As I said all entitled to your opinions. But thanks to piracy I've bought more DVDs and CDs of music than ever before because its given me a chance to listen to new bands and form opinions. Rather than not purchase a CD because I can't tell if a band is good or not beforehand. And with sites like Magnatune.com I don't even need to download the music: they stream it so that I can taste-test it beforehand. That's how I ended up buying Falik's CD (the artist for the background music). Until the CRIA understands how to properly implement a proper platform, I have no qualms with my activities, esp. if they get more money out of it. Based on pure law, I believe the supreme court passed a ruling stating that downloding was legal. [I live in Canada]Quote:
Where do you buy your CDs that you pay $30??? Minor software priced at 3000 wouldn't be purchased yearly??? That doesn't make any sense.... Pay for the software or don't use it.... I've yet to see a $3000 product that the home user would require.. As for games, that's the worst philosophy I've ever heard.. You at least could have come up with a better excuse for it... It's also not about morals, but about the law... I'm pretty sure that the RIAA or MPAA or a number of other groups would be interested to see your video... and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't like the results... Piracy is illegal plain and simple. Your video could get you some fun court time if people really wanted to be *****s about it... Doesn't sound like the brightest thing you could be doing.
Loosing respect for me huh. Given from what I've read from you so far (mostly along the lines of immature commentary), I'd say that that's a good thing. Maybe if you grow up beyond the lines of a 5 year old mentality and refrain from posting banter every other line I'd find that "lack of respect" more poignant.Quote:
You had something that AntiSpyware didn't find and that was your basis?? Like I said your 'on air' points about AntiSpyware weren't relevent and you're excuse about it missing something is even worse.... You admitted that Spybot and AdAware were only 80% effective... yet you gave them kudos... This post was the worst thing you could have done... I'm losing more respect for you and your video... Now that I think about it the whole 80% effective + 80% effective = 100% effective that you advertised was dead wrong... Perhaps you should go do some research next time before you spout random unwarrented opinions.
No one was forced to watch it... but you dimished the initial point of your video... and now with this post you've sucken to an even lower level... As for TigerSharks words... while harsh.. there's a lot of honesty in them...
When I started the video I had some respect for you... Here was a guy trying to make things easier and better for the end user.... I was wrong... You're some snot-nosed, spoiled little geek. It's a good thing it's 3am and I have insomnia... otherwise I'd be mad at myself for replying to your post.
Peace,
HT
:rofl:Quote:
If you do I might be prepared to pay for it.... But ethically you probably wouldn't want me to, would you?
OMG, it's a geeky joke, and I got it ................. Shoot me now mama.
Seal :
I trust the comments from the above posters, based on their history here, it's not much, but it's a WHOLE lot more than we have about you.
Take the hits as they are intended: Constructive.
Stay awhile, get to know a couple of folks here.
Check out the tutorials here.
Re-make the video.
It can only get better.
TigerShark, you sure have a short term memory. Let me quote you:Quote:
Originally posted here by Tiger Shark
ROFLMAO.... Seal.... Trolling.... for what.... Sure as hell didn't expect to find you here....
Despite you protestations about how hard you work I stand by my comments. To reiterate and to demonstrate how little credibility you still maintain:-
1. I D/Led it in good faith to see if it could be of use to my users.
2. I watched the first ten minutes and was bored and confused.
3. As presented the information has a very limited audience.
4. I pointed out that not watching all of it might have been a mistake, but point 2 above is salient here
5. I said you think you know something which others here, (who's judgement I trust), seem to agree you don't after watching the entire thing.
You appreciate honesty except when it is direct, to the point and contradicts your opinion of your own work.... Then it's a troll? Son, you need to grow up a little, I might be your boss one day in the not too distant future, then you'll experience the honesty first hand. It's not any prettier.
Now, take Phish's advice and talk to Iron. I have trust and respect for both. Iron knows his stuff and when he doesn't he researches it thoroughly before presenting it to others. The combination of his knowledge and presentation skills coupled with your ability to cut together video etc. might come up with something I was hoping your video was in the first place. If you do I might be prepared to pay for it.... But ethically you probably wouldn't want me to, would you?
"Bullshit little kid ... that has too much money (from his parents)"Quote:
It's a bullshit little kid that thinks he knows something that has too much money, (from his parents), to be able to buy the tools required to make a rubbish video about computer security, all the while hoping that someone, anyone, will take him seriously...
That my friend is trolling. Maybe you had points other than that, but they're understandably very hard to discern when a line like that is in there. So please don't be a hypocrite. However, your points this time round are valid (hey no using swearing... step up... sarcasm... step down.). Despite the fact that I am still upset towards you I did read your advice and will take it to heart.
Thank you for taking the time to represent your thoughts.
Seal bottom line is you did good job with the video. A little bit of MS bashing but that aint ****. Give credit were credit is due. Also, Why you guys trying to bust this dudes balls? You don't like the video then don't watch it. If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say it. Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics, even if you win you are still retarded. Get my point? I think so. ;)
Well, I thought it was a pretty good effort to inform those who don't know a thing about security. I would say that the video was as good as "thebroken videos". ( I'm not saying thebroken vids are good.) I couldn't tell you how many times I have been asked "What is a firwall?" I was even told once by an older man that he "doesn't need a firewall because hacking is illegal". (He didn't like how the software firewall always prompted him for permission to allow things in or out.) I only watched the first few minutes of the video, like most of you. I could tell right away that it was geared toward a younger, less informed audience. Thats okay. After all, the creator didn't post it here for us.
Seal:
Except me? I expressed my opinion - whether you like it or not and regardless of certain parts of it being factually incorrect it's my opinion and I'm entitled to it and to voice it.Quote:
As I said all entitled to your opinions.
FYI, trolling requires a "target". When I wrote that I had no "target" in mind. It's the way I write my thoughts which, funnily enough, is very close to the way I speak them so, had you been around here for a while, or bothered to look through my history here, you would have known that it was far from trolling. I notice you only mentioned the factually incorrect portion and avoided the "who thinks he knows something" bit...... (see, that's trolling.... ;))
NP... I always _try_ to help......Quote:
Thank you for taking the time to represent your thoughts.
How would one know if they would like the video or not without watching it? Maybe Seal didn't ask for criticism, but he never the less got some, and responded to it. Some of it might have been harsh, but welcome to the real world. If he walks away from this discussion and makes better videos in the future, then what can you say? We all have to start somewhere in our endeavors.Quote:
Also, Why you guys trying to bust this dudes balls? You don't like the video then don't watch it. If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say it. Arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics, even if you win you are still retarded. Get my point? I think so.
Thank you Irongeek.
I'm from viet nam.
email: nguyenvanthanhnet@gmail.com
Is this person your lover Irongeek? I've seen two threads where they are throwing themself at you :P.
By the way, welcome to AO thanhlangso :).
Not last time I checked. :)Quote:
Originally posted here by h3r3tic
Is this person your lover Irongeek? I've seen two threads where they are throwing themself at you :P.
By the way, welcome to AO thanhlangso :).
linux is not friendly with "wmv" do you have "mpg" versions? :rolleyes:
I don't have any version. Email Seal and see if he will make it a XVID encoded AVI.Quote:
Originally posted here by MrBabis
linux is not friendly with "wmv" do you have "mpg" versions? :rolleyes:
Hi Seal,
Anytime you make something for public consumption you take the chance that it's going to be veiwed by people other than your target audience...and if it is open for ' public ' show there's a very good chance it's going to get criticised by someone...usually outside of your target audience.
Take both the good criticism and the bad criticism for what it's worth and use it to improve your product.
Eg ;)
hmm...
linux is secure then windows
newbies often using windows
video made for windows
linux(mac) users not need to care much about windows problems
so it means that thay not need to watch that video(wmv)....
....ehhh?
Yeah thats about right. M downloading it now but seeing your post I am thinking about pushing the cancel button. Maybe its good for some of my uneducated friends.Quote:
Originally posted here by MrBabis
hmm...
linux is secure then windows
newbies often using windows
video made for windows
linux(mac) users not need to care much about windows problems
so it means that thay not need to watch that video(wmv)....
....ehhh?