Certified Hackers?

Hi guys/girls,

I just found this site and I think it's interesting to look at. Training for good/white hackers/security training expert ??

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Intense School has developed a program that brings together the hacker's mind and a professional security testing methodology. To learn "How" to perform valid security tests requires proper training and experience. Intense School's Professional Hacking Program is a hands-on, methodology-centric approach to developing the skills of a Professional Hacker and beyond. The courses focus on the technical skills necessary for security testing and the business skills necessary for providing justification, efficiency, and understanding contemporary business needs.

CEH (Certified Ethical Hacker) Certification
The CEH certification is a leading international certification requiring the competencies of a Professional Hacker. The objective of the certification is to evaluate a person's skills as a capable, up-to-date and self-sufficient security tester. Certification involves passing a challenging examination, requiring knowledge of skills acquired by hacking and assessing the vulnerabilities of systems using a wide range of tools and techniques.

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http://www.intenseschool.com/bootcam...ng/?bc=hacking
Or check this one :

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Intense Hacking: Mitnick's Social Engineering Workshops
While you may have a warm and fuzzy feeling knowing you've patched all your servers, deployed the best firewalls and instituted the latest multi-method authentication techniques, the world's most celebrated hacker can show you how - in minutes - he can neatly bypass your hardware arsenal and extract your company's crown jewels.

The simple fact is this: People are, and always have been, the most vulnerable aspect of any organization's security infrastructure - but this is more pressing today because information can be transferred more quickly than at any other time in history. One slip by only one individual in your organization, can release the equivalent of reams of sensitive data in mere seconds. There simply isn't time to respond unless you are prepared!

Our Intense Hacking Workshop, taught by former hacker turned security consultant, Kevin Mitnick, and his long time colleague, Alex Kasper, will teach you why people are your greatest vulnerability, how the malicious hacker uses Social Engineering, and what can be done to minimize social engineering based attacks in your organization.

In partnership with Intense School, Kevin and the team at Defensive Thinking have developed a one-of-a-kind workshop that will do more than any other event toward changing your view of your company's security.

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http://www.intenseschool.com/bootcam...asp?bc=mitnick


The source http://www.intenseschool.com/

Cheers

Sounds hokey.

this looks pretty cool i gotta check this out
CEH lol
can u immagin handig out your buisiness card! "jo blow certified hacker at your service"

Wow, that is really cool. I've been hoping something like this would surface to the IT certification family. My only problem is that I live in Dallas, Texas. Classes seem to be only in California, Washington D.C., and Florida. (Sigh) Guess I gotta be patient.

In the UK there is a cirtificate issused by the goverment, so it has some real meaning, it can be found at http://www.cesg.gov.uk/site/check/in...&displayPage=0 they run an assult course, to prove if you are you it the job. I see the rest of the people in this thread are from the US, Oz and canada, do your goverments offer anything like that?

SittingDuck

Seems to me like a big waste of money, if you review what's covered in that course, it's the same things that are covered in depth in the Hacking Exposed books. Why pay thousands of dollars on a class on how to use nmap and learning 2 b 1337.

You know it's a load of crap when they start talking about e-z financing and industry recognize certification, I've never even heard of that Cert. before, looks like they pulled it out of thin air. Want an industry recognized cert. get a CISSP from http://www.cissp.com/Exam/exam.html then you'll b 31337


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I believe Foundstone, ISS, etc.. all offer some kind of "hacking course" . I don`t believe the Govt does at the moment.

Looks like the first course mentioned teaches you how to penetration tests, so will porbably be a prsentation of what you can find in any of the many hacking books out there. And the second one if a course on social engineering, which is only one area of hacking.

Also, would you really want to be a certified hacker? Given the bad press that hackers have many companies shy away from anyone who has any hacking history. In fact if I remember the CISSP certification requires that you not have undertaken any hacking.

And as a final thought how would you know the quality of your teacher? how do you know it isn`t just someone reading from the pages of hacking exposed and not someone who has actually been involved in hacking for a while?

i submitted all my personal information (well, not all, i did give a fake phone # ;) ) in order to get some more info out of them, and they sent back an email with a phone # for me to call, probably to get me on the line with a salesperson for a high-pressure sales pitch. To me, if a company won't explicitly put pricing information right up front where you can easily find it, then there's something they're hiding. It sounds like a great idea for a course, but im sure there must be better and more legitimate ways of getting this kind of info.

For those who think it is fishy to get something like this in 3days, try to get same certification from legitimate site. www.eccouncil.org they even offer self study and the material is just 200 dollars, most of us probably spent hundred of dollers on books like how to hack kind of BS, but I think it is a best deal, since most of other sites charge you so much of money for socalled overnight internet security expert. What is a lose to try this new course, hey, it is a same exam and you can study when ever you have time and can pass the test when you are ready to give it, and you have to same material for far less money.

no offense to the kevin fans out there, but i still don't trust the guy...

I have actually spoken to them, from what was stated that they have a lot of military people attending these classes. At $5,000 USD for a 7 dya course sounds kind of high, but then again room and board is also covered. BUt then the other sketchy part was when I declined them, they kept coming back at me lowering there prices, saying if I take it they wil give me 30-40% off, this and that, I offered to pay half the price for just the books, but they declined. Also if you pay you can't get you rmoney back, so if the course is full of crap that you already know, too bad!!

P.S.--> anybody recommend any good reading material? or email it to me at spydy007@hotmail.com

So this is Mitnock's latest scam. eh....

I can see it now.

Kevin - "Welcome to 'the basics of social engineering". The first thing I want you to do is introduce yourself to the person next to you and shake their hand. For you all have one thing in common, you've all been hacked."

"I bet you won't sign up for any more bogus classes now will you? This has probably been the most important lesson you can possibly learn when it comes to Information Technology. Now if you'd all just sit right here for an hour and reflect on what lame-asses you are for paying through the nose for the same thing you can get out a book, I'll go cash your checks. And by the way, they'd all better clear, or else."

-End of class.

Thank you......don't applaud, just throw money. :)

People that pay for school, maybe should be attending for that you can learn everything in the book they gave you at home, but instead of buying it for $65.99 you just spent $4,500 mainly so someone can tell you that your late, or kicked out of class and thanks for the money.... then they give you a piece of paper stating that you have finished the class and are still worthless than when you started....

self knowledge rocks!!!

since we're on the topic. Does anybody know anything about:

www.smartcertify.com

Anybody tried it? Recommend it?

Did u read the prerequisite training course

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Prerequisites
The Professional Hacking program is targeted at professionals with at least 1 year of experience in information systems and networking technologies. The student should have a strong knowledge of TCP/IP, and a general understanding of information security. While both Windows and Linux are used within the class, students should have a willingness to learn tools and procedures from a Linux perspective.

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It seems to me that this course is targeting newbies & novices that read to much articles about cie hiring |-|Ac|{3Rs. I really think experience is the best. The greater number of attacks you faced, skiller u r!
I mean such a course will teach famous tools as nmap, Hping, etherreal, ... But the real knowledge is in RFCs and tuts.

Isn't half of learning how to hack learning to be resourceful enough to find information on it, or at least finding tools online and then learning how to use them? I just don't learn that well in a class room, I learn better by actually *doing* stuff. Also, I agree with R0n1n. Who would want everyone to know that you're a hacker when everyone's so afraid of them nowadays? I looked up some information from the site and the "how to learn to be a hacker" course is like $3,000 bucks for a 5 day course. They say it covers hotel lodging and meals but that's still way out of my price-range. I'd rather buy a book. The "social engineering" class is almost $2,000.