Who is ANKIT FADIA?

I don't know where to post this question but this is the most suitable place I found to ask the question...so I am asking it here. Some admin might put it in some more meaningful place!

After going through some of the pages some days back, I had come to know about a champ from my very own country namely ANKIT FADIA who wrote six bestselling books on hacking ( correct me if I am wrong). I found it interesting, sat down to take some time to google about him and after sometime the forum discussions in various board started speaking about wherether he is a CHEAT or if he is really a HACKER? Meanwhile I opened his profile and saw that he has worked with some top notch companies like Symantec, Ms,...etc. So I dont think that he is a FAKE HACKER.

Also after reading some of the pages of his book NETWORK SECURITY : A HACKER'S PERSPECTIVE, I THINK his book is quite good to start off with. I like the language and the tips he has given in so easy languagae.

Since you people are senior than me, knowinf much more than what I know about the online world, can you people explain who and what exactly is this chap???

hi

Ankit Fadia came into news 2-3 yrs back, when he claimed to be have been contacted by a security agency in UK/US about decoding a message in an image.

Due to that fame or his own links, he's now doing BS in Stanford University.

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After going through some of the pages some days back, I had come to know about a champ from my very own country namely ANKIT FADIA who wrote six bestselling books on hacking ( correct me if I am wrong).

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Yes, he's a bit more famous than a normal kid of his age. He has written 6 books(i dun think they are best selling, though). He has a certified course of his with an agreement with reliance group, more known as ANKIT FADIA CERTIFIED HACKER(google it and u'll get to know everything about it!)

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I found it interesting, sat down to take some time to google about him and after sometime the forum discussions in various board started speaking about wherether he is a CHEAT or if he is really a HACKER? Meanwhile I opened his profile and saw that he has worked with some top notch companies like Symantec, Ms,...etc. So I dont think that he is a FAKE HACKER.

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Cant say that he's a cheat, he do have some great skills of a hacker with him, he has a good nature n behaviour but but but......he lives in more hype. He has a dedicated yahoo group for him(u can easily find it at yahoo groups).

I cant certify the fact that he has worked with the tech giants such as symantec n MS(MS especially!).

So, in that case, u can say he lives in some hype and some lies too.

He charges Rs. 15000 and the complete travel fair, if u want him to deliver a lecture in ur university. just contact him by his mail(I'll PM it 2 u!)

That's all, what I have to say abt him!!






Also after reading some of the pages of his book NETWORK SECURITY : A HACKER'S PERSPECTIVE, I THINK his book is quite good to start off with. I like the language and the tips he has given in so easy languagae.

Since you people are senior than me, knowinf much more than what I know about the online world, can you people explain who and what exactly is this chap??? [/B][/QUOTE]

well thanks about that. I came to know some of your points in the web only!! I wanted to know wherther he is a real hacker or not. Some people on another forum say that he is a person who copies everything from net and creates his books!!

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Originally posted here by jockey0109
well thanks about that. I came to know some of your points in the web only!! I wanted to know wherther he is a real hacker or not. Some people on another forum say that he is a person who copies everything from net and creates his books!!

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I dont think that he's really a hardcore hacker, who can move into any place on the net.
But he's certainly better than many newbies.

As for the books, any books of that kind would have the same material he has written. So, there could be a possibility that he has copied things from net. But, if u have those books with u, check out for the bibliography section, it has the names of sources which were used to make the book.

If it's there, fine. if not, he truly is a crook then....lol

well the sources are written in the codes....I bought one of his books yesterday ...and in that the sources. Well I too think that he is not a hardcore hacker....Now let me tell you the real thing about this post:

I was told on a forum that He is a lameer...he doenst know anything about hacking..copies things form the net and so on.... I told the guys at the forum that its not so...He is a HACKER indeed...so they told me that can you give me the proof...I asked them that What if I tell you people asking people from antionline...one of the most prestigious site on security on the net?? They agreed and have declined now!!

Infact I have already read all his 6 books, joined the course at reliance webworld (batch - 1) , taken the exam and stood 1 of the 5 toppers ( i wont disclose my name or rank though) in the copuntry in the exam he conducted....I am a fan of this GUY . This post I made in such a manner just bvecause I wanted to show those guys what ANKIT is genuinely! They now say that they agree with me.

Now as far as him being hardcore hacker is concerned, I think that he is knowledgeable and can hack into most oof the systems but he is busy with all sort of regular things a normal person does....so he wont be doing the practise of hacking every now and then...but must be using the knowledge as and when required. I met him...he is nice to talk and behave.

Thanks guys ..... you helped me shut their mouths!

By the way I wanted to ask you about who is KEVIN MITNICK ??? I think I have heard of this name somewhere else too..he is also related to the computer security field ...I think so!

The first two books at least were completely plagarised. He didn't even bother plagarising the best tutorials on the net. I think that should tell you how "good" a "hacker" he is.

Cheers,
cgkanchi

Greeting's

Well I not sure how many have tried to find out precise information on Ankit Fadia. But most of it posted here is not entirely true.

He came into light after 9/11 because of his help to a TOP SECRET agency in US to track down Al-Qaida suspects who were using STEGANOGRAPHY to send and receive information. He was at that point of time in 12th std. in a public school in Delhi. After that he has been invited to give lecture's in Stanford University.

I don't know how many of you know the following truths :

1. In all his books he has just COPY and PASTED someone else's whitepaper or article from the net. In his very first book (an unofficial guide to ethical hacking) he even copy pasted the spelling mistakes

2. One of his most recent books on hacking cellphones in one of the most worthless book you can purchase, in which he still has continued taking article from the net.

3. While in mumbai, IIT students knew more then him

4. Currently he has tied up with Relince (anil ambani group) or relience web worlds to hold HACKING CLASSES WHERE STUDENTS WILL GET A CERTIFICATE PERSONALLY FROM HIM. THIS CERTIFICATE IS NEITHER RECOGNIZED BY AND INDIAN INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY OR THE GOVERNMENT.

5. After 2 years from 9-11 he is considered a fake.

6. HE WAS DENIED ENTRY INTO DEFCON (when he tried to get attention just because of his name) but this I have not conformed.


If you want more information let me know. But to be true to you he's not worth talking.

Have a nice day

Greeting's

cgkanchi you are abolutely correct. But even his most recent books continue to be on the same track as the 1st one.

Nice one.

Greeting's

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Also after reading some of the pages of his book NETWORK SECURITY : A HACKER'S PERSPECTIVE, I THINK his book is quite good to start off with. I like the language and the tips he has given in so easy languagae.

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This book only sold because people never care to use GOOGLE (www.google.com). Tell me one link in the book which is his own. Moreover he has given no information on so many codes that are printed in the book. Who wrote the code and how come there is not link to the code itself. Who would print 15 (or 10) pages of Nimda code... (yes, the book has entire Nimda or code-red virus's code printed. Isnt that a signature ofa true hacker)

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I was told on a forum that He is a lameer...he doenst know anything about hacking..copies things form the net and so on.... I told the guys at the forum that its not so...He is a HACKER indeed...so they told me that can you give me the proof...I asked them that What if I tell you people asking people from antionline...one of the most prestigious site on security on the net?? They agreed and have declined now!!

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Nobody showed you this??
http://neworder.box.sk/
You might want to check all the articles here.

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Infact I have already read all his 6 books, joined the course at reliance webworld (batch - 1) , taken the exam and stood 1 of the 5 toppers ( i wont disclose my name or rank though) in the copuntry in the exam he conducted....I am a fan of this GUY . This post I made in such a manner just bvecause I wanted to show those guys what ANKIT is genuinely! They now say that they agree with me.

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Nuthing new about this. Every damm wanna be kid in india is his fan. till that kid evolves into a hacker.

Now I recall one incident here. In one of the public forums where he was visiting, i asked him very fundamental question abt anti-virus and the blunt reply came from him, "People should not use anti-viruses" geez it sucks. It is damm irresponsible statement to be given from a stage in a public speech.

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Now as far as him being hardcore hacker is concerned, I think that he is knowledgeable and can hack into most oof the systems but he is busy with all sort of regular things a normal person does....so he wont be doing the practise of hacking every now and then...but must be using the knowledge as and when required. I met him...he is nice to talk and behave.

Thanks guys ..... you helped me shut their mouths! [/B]

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I guess you missed the point (and you say you googled???).

You might want to answer this with numbers or citations.

"VULNERABILITIES BY ANKIT FADIA = 0
BUGTRAQ ID'S BY ANKIT FADIA = 0
HACKING/ SECURITY TOOL BY ANKIT FADIA = 0
SOFTWARE / CRYPTOGRAPHY PATENTS BY ANKIT FADIA = 0
ALGORYTHMS BY ANKIT FADIA = 0
ANY OFFICIAL CITATION BY FBI/CIA/CBI FOR ANKIT = 0
ANY CONFIRMATION OF HIS SELF-CLAIMS = 0
ANY CONFIRMATION OF HIM DECRYPTING OSAMA MSG = 0
ANY TECHNICAL TUTORIAL OR BOOK BY ANKIT FADIA = 0
ANY ORGINALITY IN ANKITS TUTORIALS OR BOOKS = 0"

BTW in India E2labs got screwed some 4-5 years back, you might want to know why?


My view about AK: He cashed on others efforts, that too shamelessly. Selfpromotion shamelessly. He is a lamer
technically.

My suggestion 2 u : If you are capable, move on...he will always remain a kid. ou must try to grow.

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By the way I wanted to ask you about who is KEVIN MITNICK ???

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Well that is easy: he is (was) a true hacker and has irrefutable evidence to prove it, which Ankit Fadia does not..................Kevin Mitnick has a CRIMINAL RECORD! ...............so at least he can claim to be a hacker, but not a very good one, because he got caught. In fact he was caught and sentenced more than once :D

http://www.takedown.com/bio/mitnick.html

Ankit Fadia is a total fraud. His alleged "writings" are clear plagiarisations, and he has produced no evidence af any original or innovative thinking on his part . He is basically a creature of the Indian news media and what I would describe as "a legend in his own imagination".

Reality check folks.................little schoolboys don't get to work for Intelligence Organisations, other than in little schoolboys comic books....................

And what would Ankit Fadia know about "steganography" other than what he had found in a Google search?.............to suggest that the FBI, CIA, MI5 and others don't have very experienced and highly qualified professionals, who have forgotten more about cryptography than Ankit Fadia will ever know, is clearly ridiculous. :rolleyes:

Anyway, if you don't believe me; check this out:

http://www.outguess.org/detection.php

Steganography detection techniques have been around long before 9/11 :cool:

Basically, bullcrap sells newpapers magazines and books................ both Mitnick and Fadia are examples of this.

Hmm.... I think I wil have to look into the matter and search even more carefully narrowing down my search at google. I didnt know about thi guy that much!!! Now I am going to ask him some questions throught mails and lemme see if he replies....dont ask me why he would reply. But after reading this much of stuff from your side about him being not a real hacker, i think it must be checked.

Well before asking him something...I ask you one more thing: Do you think that I have enough kowledge to pose a question before him???

And hey nihil...after reading some part of Kevin mitnick's THE ART OF DECEPTION , I think that he was more of a social engineer than a technical hacker. Was he really as good on the technical front too???

jockey0109

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Was he really as good on the technical front too???

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That is actually a very difficult question, as you can only be as "good" as the technology of your day?......... obviously you can't hack things that have not been invented yet :D

Another thing, a lot will depend on what was "fashionable" in the hacking community of the time.

I believe that Telcos and ISPs were fashionable back then?

Technically he was good enough to be sent to prison, so he represented a real and plausible threat.

I would not consider getting caught to be a negative reflection on technical ability, only on a person's criminal ability

:)

hey ByteWrangler

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1. In all his books he has just COPY and PASTED someone else's whitepaper or article from the net. In his very first book (an unofficial guide to ethical hacking) he even copy pasted the spelling mistakes

2. One of his most recent books on hacking cellphones in one of the most worthless book you can purchase, in which he still has continued taking article from the net.

3. While in mumbai, IIT students knew more then him

4. Currently he has tied up with Relince (anil ambani group) or relience web worlds to hold HACKING CLASSES WHERE STUDENTS WILL GET A CERTIFICATE PERSONALLY FROM HIM. THIS CERTIFICATE IS NEITHER RECOGNIZED BY AND INDIAN INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY OR THE GOVERNMENT.

5. After 2 years from 9-11 he is considered a fake.

6. HE WAS DENIED ENTRY INTO DEFCON (when he tried to get attention just because of his name) but this I have not conformed.

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I can even certify your 6th point. In fact, that was the moment which actually opened my eyes. One of my friends in the stanford doing MS told me that he fakes a lot, tries to be the greatest geek of the world, which he's not!

Yes, he have some skills then again he's one of those few lucky guys who get recognised for nothing.

As for the reliance thing, fadia's father or some relative is one of the directors in Anil Ambani's group(I dunno the corp exactly). So, no problem in getting a personalised course......

Initially, Reliance guys said that they'll consider the top 5 of the batch(as Jockey claims) for a job in the Reliance Infocomm, but they backed out later. Coz, there were no big turnout of people for attending the course.

As for his knowledge, he certainly knows some of the exploits but but but remember......

"Knowing an exploit doesnt make you a hacker, its finding the exploits that makes you one!!"

well as far as my vision goes, all I can say is that I think that to sopme extent you people might be right! He might be the one to KNOW the exploits and not the one who finds them! And as far as reliance offering a JOB is concerned, I did not get any job offer or even have a Hint about this one....But I think that if I serach for this thing too on google.

One thing i know that there wasnt a GREAT turnout of people joining the course...indeed! So you might be true on this point.

and codenamevirus....you said that
"Knowing an exploit doesn't make you a hacker, its finding the exploits that makes you one!!"
I COMPLETELY agree with that...

Well...one more thing : I ask you a simple question ... I am no hacker but i want to be one for sure ( no criminal intentions ) and thats why I am here to get some knowledge from the forum, the expertise and develope my own. Let me tell you my own story in a very brief manner ans ask you a simple question:

I am a 18 year old KID who has almost no prior experinece in HACKING anything...but as some of the responders of this thread would have looking in my another thread named "WHAT MAKES REGISTRY..." I have written everything based on my own reserch...It too might look to you fake as after searching onm net afterwards, I came to know that many tricks i disclose on my site ( my site aint a big one) were already somewhere on the net except the one which mentioned which file exactly stood for the HKCU key....I know there are people with so great expertise that you people might thrash me over that!! But I honestly say that I found it all by myself..what can I do if i come to know afterwards that the thing is already found by others too!??

Anyway let me continue...I have just passed my Class 12th and got admission in my Bachelors...(classes yet to start ). Till class 10th I did not know anything...just anything abou the computer..all I knew was that there is a start button in a computer and you need to click there to get started. Afterwards I wanted to know about the net, move to syber cafes and after crashing so many of them so many times ( windows 98 was used...so you know how stable it is) that I started knowing many things about this machine. Slowly and slowly I started discovering new things..reading magazines and joining forums...doing things by my own...( I can do most of the common tasks [including shell commands] by my own in Linux without being guided at a single point of time). So my whole mentality is to find new things up.

I also discovered a flaw in windows XP where the restricted batch files can be opened and made 2 be executed even in case batch files are restricted! I think you all know it from a lot of time ( i GUARANTEE I am a n00b here). So I know that to some extent my thinking pattern matches with that of a hacker....I dont know to what extent.

I want to become a HACKER for sure and I know I will have to be a GURU at networking and programming before I can do anything more....my current knwledge is the limit..if I dont jump next to programming. I know basic C++ of making some small programs work in DOS.

Every other hacker ( really a hacker ) I asked on net has told me that Linux is better...but somehow my Linux doesnt idetify my modem...nor are any packeges available for that...so doing a socket programming there wont help me for sure....so answer two of my questions friends: ( Just dont ignore me coz I am a FAN ...(and remain) of ANKIT FADIA)

1> Do you think that with a thinknig pattern like me, I can become a hacker....am I on the right track ?

2> Do I continue with windows (winSock) so that I could start playing around with the networks? Is it OKAY to start ( at least) with Windows??

I hope that this community will not FLAME me for being an ANKIT FADIA fan...and would answer my simple questions genuinely.

Thanks a lot.

Greeting's


Do I think you can become a Hacker/Cracker : SURE YOU CAN.

But you need to slow down a bit. Let me explain. I don't know how much you spent at that 'Stupid relience" course. Anyway it must be around 5000-10,000 INR ?? Then my friend you need to slow down here. Just don't take up classes or lectures or even books for that matter because of their name's or who is teaching them. I seriously think you should go to a career counselor, they will guide you a lot better.

One of the most senior members suggested me the following way to become good in computer security (thanks again Shark :p)

Get to know the protocols TCP/IP in depth
Learn how the OS works
Learn how other software's feature end up as security threat's
and from here you start your LLOONNGG journey being a good computer hacker.


Second thing :
NO ONE HERE WILL FLAME AT YOU FOR BEING A FAN OF ANKIT FADIA. No member here is for a flaming and If some one does appear then we have a bunch of MODS who will take care of it.

You are still young and I'm sure if you take correct steps you will make big out there. Get guidance, ask questions, ask them again if you cant get them. Appreciate other people's replies and you will learn a lot from this site.


Oh ya lastly as for Linux... Search for tute's by GORE in AO's tuts section and you will get all the information you need. If you want ask some questions in Linux section and trust me you will find more people answering then in Windows. Anyway don't give up on Linux because it doesn't detect your modem... It can do everything windows can and much more........



I wish you all the best for your future...

ByTeWrangler.... I can't express how happy I am after getting that good feedback. HOwever I will still continue about telling about myself so that you people can help me more... I will tell my situation at various points in your previous post STEP by STEP.

you say : SLOW DOWN A BIT???

Let me tell you that I spent Rs. 4000 only due to the special discount offered to me by the webstore manager of the webworld outlet registered from....so I got there in a bit cheaper DEAL.

And again, I didnt lern ANYTHING during the course...I just brushed up what I already knew...and from last 6 months..I never got time except the course duration to brush up things! I did that course just to PROVE it to my mother that I am good enough to get into this field....she always told me that I am worth nothing....so it was just toprove my capabilities and I am happy I was successful.

You say get in touch with some career counsellor... well... I dont know ( you have not shown) which country you belong to but here in INdia the situation is such that If there is a career in computers, it has to be in the software engineering sector ONLY. SO it is going to be very hard to find the one who will guide me on the path I want to go. And then... I like to carve my ways out myself...as I have been doing so far ( even though slowly).

As far as KNOWING those things is concerned, I try my best to know more things from OFFICIAL resources such as learning TCP / IP from RFCs. I know the protocol PRETTY well ( of course not completely). I have read the Operating systems ( fourth edition ) written by William Stallings and have understood it Bit-by-bit. Now if that book was good enough in you people eyes, then You can understand how much I know ( or I dont know).

About softwares, I do like to observer things and find interesting things....since I am not a sofwtare developer, It is quitew a hard task...but I try my best to do what ever I do....these days I am learning VB...yes that is lame...but I think that it is the best one to START with and then move on to C# ( I love the power it gives to developers with its tools and HIghly OOPs architecture).

And you know what BYTE... I choose 1 in a 100 people to be liked..and I dont know how much ANKIT FADIA knows but certainly he is my TEACHER in a way and whole my life i have learn to respect my teachers....so that will continue....to love that boy.

ANd you ask me to questions from people here???? I laugh at that mt friend....because most of the people ignore me due to the HUGE amount of questions I ask....Even though Google is a good resource but it confuses a lot too! And I BET you that if I start asking the questions I wanted to....then I will be banned from the forum for SPAMMING...ha ha ha!

As far as lInux is concerned, I never give up...never and I surely know that Linux is more powerful than windows In ost of the aspects except Multimedia and USB ( which my phone is connected as a MODEM to)!

Anyway thanks for your warm compliments. I know myself that I am not as newbie as my [NUMBER OF POSTS] shows...of course I am a newbie..knowing nothing against you people. But I will need you people in my LLOOONNNNGG journey. Hope you will be there.

Thanks...

I have read the first two books when i was in 11th standard and then grew over it(I rarely use it for refrence).I was really dissapointed by the book,most of it were of no intrest to me.But i found the book "linux hacking exposed" to be very good and worth th money you invest for buying it.
May be you can also try the range of books available in the exposed series(web application hacking(or something like that), network security/hacking) .Hope this helped.I think you trying to go for windows specific programmming, i dont say that its wrong (may be you are older than me im only 18), so no advices only tips.
If you really want tolearn programming try linux ,i have read the codes and am proud to say that i didnt understand any thing i read (the c code that is).Visit www.paulgraham.com, read some articles and you will get my argument.

well oroin, I am also 18 years old only..and I dont want to learn just programming...I want to see it perform beofre me...and I am interested in socket programming more than other things...as far as his books and his identity is concerned, I saw everyone has his own opinion (as it should be ) and I wont say anything over that... thanks for those good words about linux and programmings specially for that site ... but then my linux doesnt connect to net.. i will have to search many things up before I could make my linux connect to the net.

HUH!! So thats it... I come to a final conclusion and desicion. and I am gonna do it hard way!!! Thats my fate...nothing is easy!!

thanks guys ( again .... eh??)

Greeting's

Well I don't think PROGRAMMING is the only Job in India Computer industry. Even Infosys needs network Eng. and network security personnel.

There is career guidance.. Go for it. Banglore is the best place for studies esp. in Technology.. don't worry.. I asked a very good friend of mine and he said that after your degree get into IIM or XLJRI or BAJAJ for your MBA in IT... If you can do MBA from one of these institutes with your degree from a good college you will be MINTING money...

I'll get more information... Withing a day.


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Oh yes, one very important thing. Why limit your JOB to INDIA ??

I live in INDIA...not that I am limited to job in India...and thats a long way ... to get a job... I have just got admission in BE. I live in bangalore itself ( for now ) but the thing is tht they need just people who are good at thinking in the pattern colleges teach them ... and I dont think that way... I use my own brain and think quite differently even though both ways solve the same problem ( i am not boasting how intelligent I am ....honestly.) so I am not sure where I will land after these 4 years...

I also know that management is the best option after IT...and a sequence produces HUGE opportunities but then I am not so old ...

Anyway I wasnt talking opportunities but about the MINDSET of people....however I dont think that security has as much of opportunity as opther fields in india.

Greeting's

ICICI, SBI two of the largest banks in India have finally started investing a large amount of money into online banking. They want their customers to shift to online banking and hence they offer reward points just if you log-in to your account online every 2 months and an assured gift if you just do one transaction online in 2 months. So there you go in the future they will need Security Eng..

Moreover, did you know TATA runs a security firm that provides security for computer at both asset level and computer security itself ??

I'm not at all asking you to go into computer security... If you like programming please feel free to go into programming if you like networking again feel free to go into it... It depends on you and you liking and not what the industry needs... What industry need its just an added bonus which is like a double edge sword.. So if you like programming and you take up networking because of industry requirement then in the end you will end up loosing, just because you prefer programming.. To sum up no matter what you like in the end there will be a place for you in the industry if you are worth it.

And... Hows the climate in the PINK CITY ?

you could always try using kppp or any toher package, i dont have a network card in my linux box so no further comments on that,Where theres a package for linux there's always a support community for that.I Hate microsoft because i bought a pro-xp and it didnt install and when i contacted microsoft hen just put their foot down and told me to contact the retailer, when i went there he took it inside and then came out claiming ther were scratches on the disk, well ***** microsofft , i lost 6000 or so bucks and my father didnt speak to me for a couple of weeks, and to think i was considering buying office(thats microsoft's support for guinine customers).

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I Hate microsoft because i bought a pro-xp and it didnt install and when i contacted microsoft hen just put their foot down and told me to contact the retailer, when i went there he took it inside and then came out claiming ther were scratches on the disk, well ***** microsofft

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If you bought a retail version, or even an OEM (which would be technically illegal in this country, unless it was for a NEW machine) then it is the retailer who is at fault............ THEY sold you faulty products, not Microsoft.

If there were scratches on the disk, then they were there when it was sold to you?............ you were sold a defective product, so deal with the person who sold it to you

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ByTe...thanks again...I knew many things you told about this field...but you added more to my pocket!!! Anyway I will ceratinly choose to get into the security area...and I wont like to change my preferences coz other say that..of course they will force me...but I am MY kind of person....and I am certainly not going to change myself fro others coz its me who has to run my whole life..anf I like the bumpy area on my legs, its better I run there instead of SLIPPING on the smooth ones....( i hope you understood what I wanted to convey).

Now as far as the climate is concerned, I have two things to say ( politely )
1. Bangalore is called as Garden City...its Jaipur which is called the pink city.
2. The climate is quite good (COOL) and I am feeling a bit of cough!!

ankit is computer geek.. he's extremely taleted person.. all i want to say he is a an excelent ethical hacker...

LOL! I haven't been on AO in a while so I was reading new posts to get caught up... read this whole one just to see aryan say Ankit Fadia is a excellent ethical hacker... HA! So now i must speak.

I took a college course in ethical hacking so does that mean that I can get lots of money for making books out of information everyone else has already came up with??? I can do that.

Ethical hacking is learning how hackers hack in order to protect you or *most importantly* your networks machines. Writing books that include java code to cause your browser to pop up a new window every time you move your mouse does not make you a hacker. Nor does... I'm not gonna bother going on... Could take too long.

Jockey: I have been in your same position... Not particularly Indias situation with the software engineering, but with your situation about knowing more about computers and networking. I really didn't know where to start years ago, and I ended up buying whatever books I could at bookstores and when I joined online places and wanted to learn by asking, I got flamed a bit because of stating that I read carolyn meinel books...(Please refrain from the flames... I've already got burns on my arm...Plus I'm past that phase.) This is the same as you and Ankit books. Whatever gets you motivated will work. As long as you dont steal other peoples work and cash out because of it.

Really the best way, even in your situation, is to keep chipping away at it. I have spent a lot of time going to school studying tcp/ip, networking, programming, Cisco, etc. and currently I am about to get my Bachelors in computer science and work on getting my masters, but what does that mean??? It means that I have a piece of paper stating that I know what a network is and how to handle it. Also it means that I get to keep completely up to date on current exploits and trends so that my jobs network will never be harmed. Knowing how hackers work, I feel, is even better than being a hacker. Although there is a fine line between being a hacker and being a network admin...

I guess what i'm saying is that I wanted to do comptuer networking but that completely involves computer security and so if you want to go into security (Which I find really interesting. getting ready to take a class in comptuer forensics, yay!) you will really have to learn the inside and out of networking. This will take a while, and I have been into this stuff for years and feel like I come nowhere near the seniors here on AO. But I guess thats why they are called seniors.

I agree to you mungyun....and hey I dont support ankit blindly...and I dont think that I or others know how much I you or Ankit knows coz knowledge is one's very own property which cant be measured by others at all...so I just said that I respect ankit....coz I have learned sop much from his books...his books told me what are the topics I must search for....thats it...I got my start and I am on the journey...ANyway thanks for your kind suggestion...

And I agree to you on why the seniors are called seniors....I just downloaded the security engineering book and I am going through it....and I think I will read it soon....I am getting guidance on this forum.....and silently..I dont get time to put down my keystrokes here but I go through the RSS feeds....

Anyway bye for now......going to sleep...have not slept from last 40 hours.....felling like I am typing ion dreams.....

~Jockey

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Thats the only reason... only reason.. aryan.. be calm and read the thread before you answer.