Extra Extra !! How to check if BIG BRO is watching you...

Greeting's

Old is Gold.

Yup you dont need a top of the line software developed at some secret lab having name "x_Project" to find out if BIG brother is watching you..

So why did I say that... How can it be very easy to check if you are being "watched"

As easy as TRACERT :

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C:\> tracert nsa.gov
1 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms 12.110.110.204
[...]
7 11 ms 14 ms 10 ms as-0-0.bbr2.SanJose1.Level3.net [64.159.0.218]
8 13 12 19 ms ae-23-56.car3.SanJose1.Level3.net [4.68.123.173]
9 18 ms 16 ms 16 ms 192.205.33.17
10 88 ms 92 ms 91 ms tbr2-p012201.sffca.ip.att.net [12.123.13.186]
11 88 ms 90 ms 88 ms tbr1-cl2.sl9mo.ip.att.net [12.122.10.41]
12 89 ms 97 ms 89 ms tbr1-cl4.wswdc.ip.att.net [12.122.10.29]
13 89 ms 88 ms 88 ms ar2-a3120s6.wswdc.ip.att.net [12.123.8.65]
14 102 ms 93 ms 112 ms 12.127.209.214
15 94 ms 94 ms 93 ms 12.110.110.13
16 * * *
17 * * *
18 * *

In the above example, my traffic is jumping from Level 3 Communications to AT&T's network in San Francisco, presumably over the OC-48 circuit that AT&T tapped on February 20th, 2003, according to the Klein docs. The magic string you're looking for is sffca.ip.att.net. If it's present immediately above or below a non-att.net entry, then -- by Klein's allegations -- your packets are being copied into room 641A, and from there, illegally, to the NSA. Of course, if Marcus is correct and AT&T has installed these secret rooms all around the country, then any att.net entry in your route is a bad sign

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Reminds me of Tiger's tutorial "TCP FLAGS THE FORGOTTEN HACKS".. Simple "effective" and build into the system.

Beat that BRO (dont change the name's please) :)

Hey,

I tried what you suggested. And i dind't get a "sffca.ip.att.net" string.
But it keeps saying: "timeout by assingment" from 10-30.
Is That a bad or a good thing?

Greeting's

Enabling ICMP might help. Do you have a firewall.

Should I portscan them and try to download /etc/passwd
while I'm at it? I don't wanna be too conspicuous...
:cool:

Greeting's

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Should I portscan them and try to download /etc/passwd
while I'm at it? I don't wanna be too conspicuous...

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Sure you can... Its a free country..

Interesting... looks like i am good... or was until I did the tracert ;)

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6 31 ms 29 ms 31 ms so-3-1-0.gar2.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.78.214.21]
7 31 ms 40 ms 31 ms ae-1-55.bbr1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.68.103.129]
8 49 ms 43 ms 44 ms ae-2-0.bbr1.Washington1.Level3.net [4.68.128.201
9 46 ms 44 ms 45 ms ae-23-54.car3.Washington1.Level3.net [4.68.121.12]
10 44 ms 45 ms 47 ms att-level3-oc192.Washington1.Level3.net [4.68.12.154]
11 48 ms 46 ms 45 ms tbr2-p013901.wswdc.ip.att.net [12.123.8.102]
12 46 ms 48 ms 45 ms ar1-p312.wswdc.ip.att.net [12.123.8.69]
13 51 ms 51 ms 64 ms 12.127.209.214
14 51 ms 54 ms 51 ms 12.110.110.131
15 * * * Request timed out.

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Ahem...any of you boys ever walked into DOJ or FBI in D.C.? You're gonna be on camera. Why is anyone here surprised Big Bro is watching who's coming and going via their networks? Check out Fort Huachuca for a good time if you're so inclined.

You boys are geniuses... :o

<ted stevens>
but the internet is a series of tubes! I dont want big brother looking what im sending through my tubes. it makes me wonder what happened to my own personal internet... all this wire tapping is probably slowing down the dump truck that is carrying the tubes... and that is why it took me 2 days to recieve an internet.
</ted stevens>

Greeting's

With all due respect,

Surfing on the internet = Entering FBI's office,

Sorry mate I dont get the connection.

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Why is anyone here surprised Big Bro is watching who's coming and going via their networks

Who said its their network.

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Originally posted here by ByTeWrangler
Who said its their network. [/B]

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Well *they* did.

But correct me if i'm wrong, you can be tracked down in a lots of ways, like your cellphone, or with satellites, so why should the internet be any different?

Ithink you are right, we should'nt be watched.

There is only one problem security is the opposite of freedom, the more security the less freedom, and the more freedom the less security!

Do the 'math', BW...

You tracert'ed NSA's website. THE one and only NSA? And on the way there, you passing thru "12.123.13.186", right? What is that, Room 641A or whatever, according to some mad Dr. Klein? And that's NOT their network? Get real, doood...

Personally, I don't think the en-ess-ay gives a feck if you surf eBay or Amazon (or even al-Jazeera), but if you're going to THEIR site, they gonna get your picture.

Get the picture? :eek:

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You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger
And you don't mess around with Jim'

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http://www.twin-music.com/lyrics_fil.../mess/you.html

no matter what computer you go to and do a tracert nsa.gov your going to get an att.net in their some ware its just one of the hops to the address try doing it to other sites, some sites its one of the hops through and some its not theirs nothing you can do about it.

Here's a chuckle: sffca.ip.att.net @ 12.123.13.186 isn't even up anymore. Seems that bit about nsa.gov is old news, going back to June. Got a bit of play on some libertarian sites.

In my experience, a number of outfits typically are holding hands with Big Bro: AT&T, Level3, Verio...it goes on and on. Got friends in southern KY who own a small isp and even they are regularly consulted by the FBI.

B-i-g d-e-a-l. :o

Read you EULA for your ISP, it pretty much stated on everyone that I have ever seen that the ISP is allowed to monitor your traffic. So knowing that why is anyone suprised that the NSA may be? Wake up people, ready your ISP EULA and nothing should be of suprise. :-)

Traffic is also routed through the internet on different routes. Some packets may travel over AT&T circuits, some over Level3 and so on. I do not fully believe everythign I have read on this post and think its probably someones interpritation of what they are seeing.

Nice theory :-)

Nice reply. kruptos.

Now, a lot of ISP's do monitor 'users' traffic passing in the sense where we can see data moving, but we don't look into content, Just like the post office sees you package move from point A to B but doesn't look in it if you will.

Each system we use monitors the packet transfer differently. But we never look at content, just if traffic is passing or not.