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goot point pete,
but then again hackers arent all technical, a hacker can be a person that thinks "outside the box", someone who craves information, there is no PERFECT hacker out there, there is no...

I think trojans are very usefull tools and they arent necissarily all for script kiddies, i mean if u get in there in the first place and get that trojan in there you did the work, you just dont want...