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    Cool Script Kiddie/Black Hat/White Hat?

    Hey, just a thought and kind of a question. How do you all think someone should progress in their learning. (in the field of computer security) What i mean is start as a script kiddie, which gives them a bit of knowledge about how things work etc..
    Black hat, which would be harder to achieve, if you weren't a script kiddie first.
    Or White hat?
    But from most of the articles I have read, White hats are usually script kiddies turned black hat, then turned to white hat. So where do you think is a good starting point, if there is one.
    Personally I think one could benifit from learning script kiddie tactics, because it would give you some knowledge of the system etc etc..
    Or maybe not...lol

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    Why would you want to become a script kiddie, there is no way of becoming a hacker.

    How about avoiding all this and becoming a security guru?

    Just a thought/
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    I think wanna-be-crackors / script kiddiez should start with their own networks and machines, learn the rudimentry aspects of security from the comfort and safety of their own envioronment. When they can be 95% sure that their own set-up is secure, then they'll be a long way further towards being an asset and not a liability. Having some no brained punk using somebody elses script to break into some lamerz un-secured box proves nothing except how sad they are.

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    Post The Jargon Lexicon

    Originally posted by morfius
    But from most of the articles I have read, White hats are usually script kiddies turned black hat, then turned to white hat. So where do you think is a good starting point, if there is one.
    Personally I think one could benifit from learning script kiddie tactics, because it would give you some knowledge of the system etc etc..
    It seems to me that you have misunderstood something... You might want to check The Jargon Lexicon. Here are a couple of cuts from it:

    Script kiddies: pl.n.
    The lowest form of cracker; script kiddies do mischief with scripts and programs written
    by others, often without understanding the exploit they are using. Used of people with limited technical expertise using easy-to-operate, pre-configured, and/or automated tools to conduct disruptive activities against networked systems.

    black hat
    A cracker, someone bent on breaking into the system you are protecting. Oppose the less comon `white hat' for an ally or friendly security specialist; the term `gray hat' is in occasional use for people with cracker skills operating within the law, e.g. in doing security evaluations.

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    A: Because Oct 31 = Dec 25
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    Post Never a script kiddie

    I dont think one should ever become a 'SK'. I think that many start out that way and I am sure many stay that way. It is few that read and study. They begin to see that they can learn something and actually make a difference. They will play around with what they have learned and begin to feel better about themselves. They will begin to understand that it is VERY wrong to harm other systems. All the Hacking traits and knowledge will begin to show up in them as they go about thier daily lives. They will respect technology more and even other people. They will never be stingy with thier new found knowledge yet, they will not just give it away. They can help others by guiding them to the right information. They can let the others know that it is wrong to harm others. Let them know that READING is a MUST. They might even tell the other "Learners" that BOOKS are a Hackers BEST FRIEND.

    This is my just MY opinion. Let me know what you think. Thank you...

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    Re: Never a script kiddie

    Originally posted by DISLEX
    that BOOKS are a Hackers BEST FRIEND.
    Very true, but I would have assumed a hacker's best friend is his computer?
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    Exclamation Knitemare

    Very true, but I would have assumed a hacker's best friend is his computer? -Ennis
    A well known hacker named Knightmare (may be spelled wrong) once wrote...

    "It is sad to say but a hacker should probably not even own a computer."

    Hmm...

    While I would never give up living with a computer I still think that books are far better a learning tool. I mean they teach you how to actually USE the computer and WHAT is you are DOING. HOW it works. WHY it does or does NOT work. It tells you how you can make it WORK BETTER. It lets you know HOW OTHERS STOP you from WORKING and HOW to PREVENT it.

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    "It is sad to say but a hacker should probably not even own a computer."
    I disagree. I believe you can learn more from playing around and trying stuff and screwing up your own computers than you can from reading a book.

    Still, the value of books shouldn't be dismissed either.
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    Originally posted by Rna


    I disagree. I believe you can learn more from playing around and trying stuff and screwing up your own computers than you can from reading a book.

    Still, the value of books shouldn't be dismissed either.
    This basically sum's up my opinion, you see you can read tutorials and books till you're eyes bleed but until you implement you're knowledge on an actual computer you are wasting you're time.

    Books are invaluable but it is obscene to state that to a hacker, the book is more important than the computer.
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