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    Privacy in a monitored world [Echelon]

    I donīt know but I guess youīve already talked a great deal about this subject. However, there seem to be people that are ignorant of this subject and it scares the willies out of me. Why Iīve chose Echelon is because it interests me and there is a bit of material and hard evidence out there for everyone to read. Since I find it hard to clearly express myself, please memo me or sum about questions or post a follow up.
    So you wonder, what is it, does it affect me and why should I bother?
    Well very shortly itīs a network for monitoring al communication.
    And since you are highly likely to send information trough any of these relay points it affects you. Should you bother? Read 1984 by Welles.

    *Yeah right! They donīt have the tech to do it.
    Well if NSA was a company it would be right up there on the 50 biggest companies in the states. And then add the British, Canadian, Aussie and Kiwi intel. So they certainly have the money and personell.
    And thatīs just the official part, sweden for one has allegedly sent data from one of their spy signal stations and we are supposedly neutral. How many more countries wantīs a piece of the cookie?
    *Ok, but they wouldnīt do that, it has to be illegal.
    In the name of hunting terrorists? Get real.
    *Pft, well I use 128bit crypto. So Iīm safe.
    Well maybe you should have a chat with the company that wrote the program. Backdoors is a reality, and if they donīt have they key do you think they could cluster puters to break it? According to the swedish security police (SÄPO that is) NSA can break a PGP 128bit crypto in 0.005 seconds.
    *Bah that is impossible!
    Well there is talk about the NSA budget.. 10 billion US$ I donīt find that figure feasible but even if you half it you can still get a couple of cans.. and clustering them is no biggie. And that would be a yearly budget..
    *Well maybe you got a point.. but so what, why should I care?
    Well first of al, who controlls these people? I sure donīt and I donīt think that the american people has alot to say either. (You do know about CIA black ops right?)
    *Anyways, they would never go after me.
    Then I must ask why not? If not to fight real crime then just to justify their own existence, no enemy no money. Why be unemployed when you can create a new threat? (no commies anymore)
    *HAHAHA, are you having an acidflashback or something?
    Well go read for yourself then
    *You are making a horse from a tail
    As I mentioned the CIA ran (maybe still is) covert black ops which dealt in Cocain, ran guns to right wing extremists and even physically got involved in latin america with both equipment and personell. Where are those people now? And those behind them? Do you think that Oliver North was the mastermind behind CIA black opīs?

    Once again, go to fas.org and read up on Echelon
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    Last year I was in a discussion group were Echelon was a frequent topic. One of the guys announced "Echelon-day", he had a little proggie that generated e-mails that would be picked up by the Echelon system. They contained all sorts of nasty messages (eg. "To Gadaffi, it's time to kill Bill Clinton etc.). He sent the prog around, and invited everyone to use it one one certain day - "Echelon-day".

    The idea was to show the authorities that people disliked being monitored, but I don't think it helped much. Perhaps if enough people joined in, the Echelon system would break down. But I don't think so...
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    Movies like Enemy of the State, Wag the Dog; Hollywood magic? Not Hardly. The feds have had this technology for several years. HAARP, Echelon; these so called 'grey projects' have been ongoing for several years. Imagine the technology they haven't accidently leaked (or just had to come out and tell us about). Kinda conspiracy theorist, huh?
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    HAARP

    would you mind indulging me in what HAARP is? (ok, I can find it for myself but for the ignorant one)

    Bugger big brother backwards
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    I dunno but I donīt think thatīs the HAARPA hillbilly75 is talking about.. or is it? It seems like a "harmless" educational site atleast.
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    I don't know if it is?? I guess he will have to tell us
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    Do something about it if you care.

    Why just talk about the subject. We obviously need to do something about it. I know it seems like we would get nowhere fast but petitions and things of that sort have done major things in the past. Find a petition and join it. Go to the White House and start a riot. Nah... On second thought don't do anything at all. Somebody else will take care of it.
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    Yes, I am a criminal. My crime is that of curiosity. My crime is that of judging people by
    what they say and think, not what they look like. My crime is that of outsmarting you, something
    that you will never forgive me for. I am a hacker and this is my manifesto. You may stop this
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    There has been attempts to crash echelon by sending large files containing different buzz words (using words like kill the president and such) but it hasnīt seem to work. It would take a massive amount of co-ordinated people sending a MASSIVE amount of files to oveload the system. Keep in mind that they have a yearly budget that exceeds a couple of small countries COMBINED.
    What we can do now is INFORM the ignorant masses that there is a threat to their privace.
    What I canīt believe is that there are computer interested people that are ignorant of Echelon. Imagine how many of the "grey" masses that donīt realise this.
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    HAARP, Echelon; these so called 'grey projects' have been ongoing for several years. Imagine the technology they haven't accidently leaked (or just had to come out and tell us about). Kinda conspiracy theorist, huh?

    Another conspiracy theorist! Good to see...


    Have you noticed that www.parascope has been down for weeks? For those of you who don't know of parascope it WAS a site dedicated to uncovering FBI, DoD, CIA and general US cover ups.

    And remeber-


    "In Germany they came first for the Communists,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
    Then they came for the Jews,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
    Then they came for the Catholics,
    and I didn't speak up because I was Protestant.
    Then they came for me,
    and by that time no one was left to speak up."


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