December 17th, 2001, 07:51 PM
how to poison your mind with antionline [and lavender usage]
*note: lavender usage posted at the very end of this tutorial
The aim of this tutorial is to point out and discuss in great detail the ****ing idiocy that pervades most of you, and how you are doing yourselves a great disservice by acting the way you do. AND SUCH
The problem with this forum and this entire community is its users. that means you, most of you. You hold in such high regard the title 'hacker' that you would spend eons of time learning material that you believe will heighten you to this level. ---CLICHE ALERT: I'm on a quest for knowledge, man! I'm on a journey of the mind!---- Would you who sing this mantra just shutup for a second and look at yourselves from an objective point of you. The knowledge is extremely limited in scope, usually towards the "computer" sector. SINCE WHEN IS SUCH A JOURNEY LIMITED TO COMPUTERS? YOU ARE SUCH BULLSHITTERS, AND THE WORST OF IT IS THAT THE PERSON YOU HAVE BEEN BULLSHITING HAS BEEN YOU, YOURS TRULY MASTER HACKER KID. Even when you are on a GOD FORSAKEN COMPUTER KNOWLEDGE QUEST, it is often for dubious reasons. Employment. To belong to a social groupl/subculture. Money. Recognition amongst your peers. The belief that knowing a few computer commands makes you smarter than other people. AD INFINITUM. Your reasons are FAR FAR FAR from being IDEALISTIC. The sooner you acknowledge this fact, the sooner you will distance yourself from the idiots that pervade this subculture of yours.
THE PRIMARY problem that most of you face, YOUR PRIMARY hurdle in obtaining the life you so desire, is the fact that most of you are INTELLECTUALLY VAPID. You are, at best, AVERAGE in intelligence. AVERAGE, OKAY? The type of people you idolize and probably think of while masturbating are ABOVE AVERAGE in intelligence, often extremely so. Sure, they do all the things you *try* to do, except that it comes easier to them. THEY CAN FIGURE THINGS OUT BY THEMSELVES. THEY CAN SOLVE PROBLEMS. THEY HAVE THE MENTAL CAPACITY COUPLED WITH THE MOTIVATION TO ACTUALLY GET ANYWHERE AS FAR AS COMPUTERS AND COMPUTER SECURITY ARE CONCERNED. I don't doubt your motivation. Hell, you're probably even more motivated than they are since you watched the movie Hackers 39 times and you memorized the lines as a QUICK PARTY TRICK on IRC. Let's face it, YOU'RE STUPID. YOU'LL NEVER BE HACKERS. At best, you'll be what you deem "script kiddies". [more on this later] And this is AT BEST, MY FRIENDS, AT BEST.
So what is wrong with being stupid? NOTHING. Most of it is genetics. Sorry, you got the short end of the stick. THAT'S OKAY, THOUGH! Life doesn't necessitate a high level of intelligence to have happyness. On the contrary, people who commit suicide are usually above average in intelligence. People with higher degrees of intelligence are usually more prone to depression and such. COUNT YOURSELF LUCKY. There are plenty of VERY HIGH paying jobs that don't require massive amounts of intelligence. There are also a bunch of "computer" jobs that also don't require much of anything except a pulse. HA! Those are pathetic, **** jobs! Embarassing jobs! Dead-end jobs!--- HALT, I SAY. Where would we be without our KEYBOARD CLEANERS and PRINTER FIXERS and SQL PROGRAMMERS (THAT MEANS YOU REMOTEFAG). THEY PAY WELL ENOUGH TO PUT FOOD ON THE TABLE AND GO TO IRC GET TOGETERS ONCE IN A WHILE. YOU'LL DO FINE.
SCRIPT KIDDIES. You are all entwined in some infinite circle of EGO GRATIFICATION. This is really the primary purpose of this forum. YES. THAT IS ALL. You are all here to make you feel better about yourselves. YOU GOT SHUNNED FROM OTHER PLACES FOR ACTING STUPID AND NOW YOU BRING YOUR STUPIDITIES HERE WHERE THEY ARE HURRAHED AND PRAISED BY OTHER LIKE MINDED FOLK. Those that aren't idiots on this forum are either here because A) they feel as though they aren't capable of distinction in other groups or, B) are here for SHEER ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES. As for script kiddies, the reason you are all so hyper about shouting malicious stupidities towards them is because YOU KNOW DEEP DOWN THAT THEY KNOW MORE THAN YOU DO. THEY ARE MORE CAPABLE THAN YOU ARE. Breaking into systems requires A MINIMUM AMOUNT OF INTELLIGENCE. Most of you FAIL THIS CRITERIA. SORRY. Move on and clean keyboards with enthusiasm.!
DO YOU WANT IN ON A SECRET OF MINE? To find the ones that are the most insecure about their own knowledge/ability to obtain knowledge look at a particular type of posting on this forum. Whenever you see a post about ETHICS or LAWS or tutorials like "HOW NOT TO GET FLAMMED" (THAT MEANS YOU ENISFAG) and **** like that, you know they are THE BIGGEST POSEURS HERE. Why? Because they are BARELY trying to increase their computing knowledge. They are clueless, and will likely remain that way for a long time. It's not that they don't learn, because everybody learns things every now and then, it's that they learn so incredibly slowly that their learning curve is so HIGH that it will take them YEARS to understand what someone of higher intelligence will in but a few weeks or months. THAT IS WHY YOU SHOULD LEARN TO FIX PRINTERS, BUCKO. FIX THEM WITH THE SAME RAH RAH RAH THAT YOU EXIBIT WHEN YOU _TRY_ TO LEARN COMPUTING STUPIDITIES.
PROGRAMMING. Let's face it, if you want to become a CAPABLE programmer, you need a certain degree of intelligence. My guess is an IQ of AT LEAST 115. I'M SORRY, MOST OF YOU FAIL ONCE MORE. The good thing about this is that most of you REALIZE that you are TOO STUPID to become hackers when you try to master a programming language. GO AHEAD. Please, humour me. Learn C. Learn assembly. Learn it well enough to be able to flame alt.programming gurus when they make mistakes in their snippet postings. IF YOU CAN ACHIEVE THIS TASK THEN THERE IS HOPE FOR YOU YET. If not, then please GRASP THE FACT THAT YOU ARE NOT BRIGHT ENOUGH TO REALLY EXCEL IN THIS FIELD. Caveat: languages like SQL are not good enough for this little test. I said C AND assembly. BOTH. GO AHEAD. ****FACES. Don't come back on this forum until you've mastered both. MASTERED. You will see that when you do return, you will be thoroughly disgusted with the sort of idiocy textually vomitted by your fellow antionline members that it will depress you so much so that you will leave forever. CAST YOUR SAIL TO GREENER SHORES.
You can put as much as you like in your bath, whatever you feel comfortable with. I usually tip the bottle at a 45degree angle and sprinkle it everywhere. The quantity is less important than the method you use to distribute it.
1) Run the water, adjust it to proper temperature (the hotter the better)
2) Put the cork in the hole and allow the tub to fill up a bit, perhaps to 1 or 2 inches in height.
3) Sprinkle the lavender bathsalts as stated above, a bit everywhere in the bath.
4) keep the bottle right next to the tub in case you want to add more.
5) Make sure the door is closed at all times, right from step one. We want the lavender steam to evaporate and remain in the bathroom.
6) When you get in, don't worry about the little salts on the bottom of the tub. They will dissolve soon enough.
7) It's good to close the bathroom lights (if you're doing this during the day) and just wallow in the tub in semi-darkness.
8) Music is also nice. I like julie doiron or mogwai.
9) Make sure you cover the lavender bottle right after you use it, as we want to keep that lavender goodness in there for a while.
December 17th, 2001, 08:27 PM
Good post pal . very intelligent and informative keep up the good work.
December 17th, 2001, 08:44 PM
Very nice perspective you have there. Its always nice to know what others think of people in our field. I like your view of skript kiddies. I also agree that it does take intelligence to program, however the level of intelligence can not be fairly judged by an IQ test. Also assembly is great to learn.
Wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.
December 17th, 2001, 08:45 PM
December 17th, 2001, 09:29 PM
I think it's very unfair that you call everybody here stupid. Tell me, how does disapproving of script kiddies make you stupid, and how does breaking into systems require minimal intelligence? Being a script kiddie requires minimal intelligence. Hacking legitimately takes moderate intelligence and a book, but to TRULY understand what you're doing and understanding how to do it RIGHT requires a higher than average intelligence quotient and a fair amount of experience.
When I read your post all I see is a bunch of insult-hurling, and complaining about how "stupid" we are. Can you give a few reasons? Tell me, what are your qualifications to make all these judgements? What makes you so much smarter than us? What do you know?
Most of the people are here to learn and to better themselves. It's the people like you and oblio that ruin these forums. I will admit that there are some pretty stupid people who come in here, but if they come here to better their computer knowledge, who cares? I certainly don't. If they truly want to put forth the effort to learn, who am I to not help them? You have to start somewhere, and you have to have resources. This site happens to be one of the resources that some people choose to use, and it is their privelege to do so. This site is a great place to both tap into and contribute to the knowledge pool......a pool you claim doesn't exist.
December 17th, 2001, 09:29 PM
Well, I consider that a very interesting read. Interesting enough to respond to a few points you make...
First, you say that computer security experts, and indeed most computer specialists not dealing with programming, have a narrowed field of expertise that you consider somewhat useless. Well, I offer to you the fact that particle physicists have a fairly narrowed field of expertise as well. Now, would you consider that they are wasting their lives? How about neurosurgeons, do you think they wasted their life by learning about how the human brain works? I believe that any one who has a passion for something that they do in life specializes in the area that he/she is passionate about. Therefore, your point about computer security experts (please keep in mind this is a computer security website, NOT a hacking website) having not useful knowledge is rather meaningless, and is certainly not backed by any sort of evidence. Though it certainly looks like you haven't bothered expanding your own expertise to proper GRAMMAR or spelling based upon your post.
Second, you say that computer security experts, or hackers as you label them, are at best of average intelligence. I offer to you the fact that there is a reason it is called average, and that is because most people in the world fall into that category. I would be willing to bet that there would be a fair distribution of IQs in all possible jobs (from McDonald's employee to a particle physicist). People get to be good at whatever field through education and a passion for whatever it is that they do, not through intelligence. If you were to check out the job titles of the members of Mensa (the organization for people who have scored above 130 on their IQ tests), you'd find that some of them are janitors. So, again, you have no proof to back up your claim that computer security experts are stupid and useless.
Finally, you say that programmers are intelligent, and that the only way that people can prove their intelligence in computers is learning to program in assembler and c. Well, I guess I should take that as a compliment, as I am a programmer, but I believe it is off base, as are your other comments. First of all, I don't know where you arbitrarily chose c and assembler (what kind of assembler by the way? x86, MIPS, SPARC? Do you even know the difference?), there are a plethora of languages to choose from, and some are much more useful in the real world than c and assembler. Second, I don't know where you begin to believe that you need to be intelligent to program. I've seen some very dumb programmers, and I've seen some very brilliant ones. As with any job, there is a wide range of intelligence.
Some how you have attempted to lump all computer security experts and non-programmers (printer fixers as you label them) into a group that you believe is stupid, and below your level of intelligence. I sincerely hope that you do not do this sort of belittling with other groups, because once you get a job (as we can tell that you obviously have never had a job in the real world dealing with computers) you will realize the value of each of these groups, and you will learn that making generalizations like you just did will either get you fired, or get your ass beat.
Do yourself a favor and stay in school...
\"It\'s only arrogrance if you can\'t back it up, otherwise it is confidence.\" - Me
December 17th, 2001, 09:34 PM
Just a quick thought.
You say most people here are of average intelligence? If you know how to use that intelligence you can have the computer do most of your work for you, anyway.
And what's your IQ? Are you a genius, a prodigy, an Einstein or something like that? Or are you simply trying to cover up the fact that you're just an incompetent dumbass?
WHO are YOU to judge the INTELLIGENCE at this WEBSITE? Having been registered for LESS than a MONTH I hardly think YOU are in a position to STEREOTYPE every last one of US.
December 17th, 2001, 09:51 PM
just because that account has been registered for a month does not mean this person has been here for only one month. and no it isn't me.
December 17th, 2001, 10:31 PM
hmm first of all... hehe damn u made a lot of mistakes there kiddo...
we are here to be informed on what is going on in the internet security department... i admit.. some of the posts being placed here are useless.. but there are some of us here that do our best to post something good...
our aim is not to be a guru or what so ever. well some are.. but me. my aim is to make the internet as safe as possible for innocent users..
and about u nagging that breaking into systems isnt hard at all.. heh why dont u try it? coz i certainly hell know what its like to break into systems for i do that everyday. wanna know why? to inform those institues that their security is flawed and needed to be fixed.. and i dont deface or delete any files in that computer.. i just get inside.. get out.. e-mail the owner.. and thats it.
and yeah.. its the knowledge that drives me so far.. i already have mastered chemistry and biology.. but computers seems to be the one that keeps my interest since i cannot master it and gives me great challenges that would stretch my logical thinking..
yes fool.. logical thinking.. thats what it takes to break into a system.
same logical thinking needed to whip up a compression algorithm.. same logical thinking needed to master subnetting concepts.. i bet u dont even know what subnetting is.. and what its concepts are..
know why Defcon was created? its primary objective is for people to SHARE their knowledge with others which is also thesame reason here.. coz one cannot know everything.. seriously..
December 17th, 2001, 11:14 PM
to 'wize'man, an introduction to text comprehension
I take due time to reply to your posting in kind, for you've obviously displayed a level of comprehension that does little justice to your chosen monicker. This amuses me.
Certainly, I can dispel with the petty insults and opt for the route you've chosen, that of subtle contempt masked as dignified discussion.
The problem with your reply is not so much what you say, but more so your inability to draw a minimal level of understanding from the most basic of texts (as you've aptly stated). Allow me to utilize the much underused quotation feature of this forum to answer your critiques.
I'm afraid you did not "catch my drift", as they are prone to say in the bowels of the American south. If you'd carefully take the time to reread the the paragraph of mine you are misinterpretating, you would come to understand that my criticism was geared towards those that claimed to be "seekers of knowledge". That is a vague statement that is all too often used and abused in the "computer underground", and so I felt the need to address its usage. I do not have any comtempt for those who will claim that they are on a quest to better their computing skills. Fine, we all have our interests, and that is a perfectly good one. Let's just be clear on what they (the people who make such claims) are and aren't. Nowhere have I said that computers are useless. You're off your rocker, comrade.
First, you say that computer security experts, and indeed most computer specialists not dealing with programming, have a narrowed field of expertise that you consider somewhat useless.
I used programming as an example because I do believe that good (I used the word capable in my previous posting) programmers are indeed intellectually capable people (does my wordplay tickle your grammatically pretentious fanny?) There are good and bad programmers. The are good and bad anythings. Please provide a quote where I stated otherwise, verbatim or not.
No, I certainly do not. I'm pleased that there exist some people who are qualified enough to practice as neurosurgeons. Good for them, good for all of us. Yay humanity. However, I would be the first to criticize neurosurgeons that would claim to be on a "quest for knowledge" when they confined their studies to neurology. Ditto to those in the computing field (chiefly those in the hacking culture) who make such claims. See above.
Now, would you consider that they are wasting their lives? How about neurosurgeons, do you think they wasted their life by learning about how the human brain works?
This is blatantly wrong once again. I never stated such. I claimed that those who seemingly spent their livelihoods on this forum (I'm sorry if you felt targetted) were of average intelligence. I say this with great caution as the postings on this forum have certainly not helped lay credence to my claim.
Second, you say that computer security experts, or hackers as you label them, are at best of average intelligence.
People can learn new skills and acquire vast amounts of new knowledge, but this does not necessarily mean that they can be successful in whichever vocation they so desire. If you believe that someone of average intelligence can gain employment as a theoretical physicist, then you've not only fallen off your rocker, you've also spiralled into the bottomless pit of liberal ignorance. You seem to be superficially aware of so-called IQ tests and organizations such as Mensa, and yet you say things that would leave most cognitive psychologists and mensonians alike tossing in their proverbial graves. I assume, as most people on this forum, that you live in the United States of American. Most if not all colleges in your (correct me if I'm wrong) country make use of specialized IQ tests (i.e.: the SATs) when judging the competence of an applicant. The truth of the matter is that intelligence (as judged by our now best method, intelligence tests) is highly correlated with academic achievement. I know it may pain your bleeding liberal heart to come to terms with this fact, but give it time and the thick lenses of ignorance will remove itself from your bewildered eyes, if only for a little while.
People get to be good at whatever field through education and a passion for whatever it is that they do, not through intelligence. If you were to check out the job titles of the members of Mensa (the organization for people who have scored above 130 on their IQ tests), you'd find that some of them are janitors. So, again, you have no proof to back up your claim that computer security experts are stupid and useless.
Were you to take a survey of all people with mensa-level IQs, you'd find that most of them are in positions that require an above average degree of intelligence. Surely, there are truck drivers who have extraordinary levels of intelligence. Big deal. Were you to attempt to make a bell curve of all of multiple occupations by assigning them points based on the average IQ level found in each field, I am certain that you would find that those who occupy such positions as truck drivers or gas pump attendants fit in the 0.03% range (over 3 standard deviations from the mean). OF COURSE, you couldn't shape such a bell curve because it would be terribly one sided.
Sigh. Do I really need to restate that you are wrong once again, that you have misunderstood the very essense of what I said? Frankly, I'm growing tired of it.
Finally, you say that programmers are intelligent, and that the only way that people can prove their intelligence in computers is learning to program in assembler and c
I did not say programmers are intelligent. I said that to be a capable programmer, it requires a certain level of intelligence. Please note the difference for future reference.
Furthermore, I used programming as a mere EXAMPLE. I did not say it was the "only" way to be deemed (by me, and God) capable in the computing field. I chose asm and C not because these are special languages that have special properties, but to properly illustrate that languages like SQL were simply not up to this task. I cited these two languages as recommendations, I was not elavating them to the pedestal you believe I did.
The point of that earlier paragraph as not for one to "prove his intelligence in computers", but for one to get a reasonable idea of your level of intelligence, in general. Of course, you knew that You are wize (sic) and probably just overlooked it.
Oh, dear. For the third time, I made the distinction between a programmer and a capable programmer. What the hell is wrong with you? Did you mentally cross that word out to form a basis for half of your arguments? There is a wide range of intelligence in various jobs, as wide a range as there is in compentence. I hope the bold tag will negate your mental crossing.
Second, I don't know where you begin to believe that you need to be intelligent to program. I've seen some very dumb programmers, and I've seen some very brilliant ones. As with any job, there is a wide range of intelligence.
Have a pleasant day.