January 26th, 2002 09:06 PM
I'm against death penalty 100% i don't think nobody has the right to choose if he deserves to die or not or even less any goverment that's too much power in the hands of any human
like if you killed somebody in selfdefense is a pity but is not your fault .
but if you kill somebody cold hearted like most pro death goverments then does are criminals and they are not better than the one they are killing
thats my opinion of course
January 26th, 2002 09:19 PM
I guess we can agree to disagree
The reason why we have the death penalty is to discourage capitol crimes. The punishment should fit the crime. If someone raped and killed one of my nieces ..I damn well would want the death penalty to be considered. Poeple with those kind of natures do not fear prison...thats a picnic for them. They fear only..the unknown. I say caste them there when the crime is deserving. Great care should be given to the justice process however to avoid wrongful prosecution...I know my european friends will TOTALY disagree however.
They consider such punishment to be "barbaric". In the present political dilema we are in here in America(I.E terror) most of us want the murderers executed.....its hard to reason objectivily with us about it
January 26th, 2002 09:50 PM
I'm for the death penalty.
Being the son of a police officer shot in the line of duty, it makes me sick to think that in this society someone could let those that killed my dad get away with it.
Sometimes you just cant wait for mother nature to control this kind of person. You just need to pump a little chlorine in the pool of life.
Sorry to my left-winged freinds, wait, I don't have any. Nevermind.
Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor; but even supposing knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be content to be ignorant than would take even a little trouble to acquire it.
- Samuel Johnson
January 26th, 2002 11:40 PM
i am totally against the death penalty. my opinion has pretty much been expressed in previous posts so i'll try something different. heres a metallica song all about the death penalty.
Ride The Lightning
Guilty as charged
But damn it, it ain't right
There is someone else controlling me
Death in the air
Strapped in the electric chair
This can't be happening to me
Who made you God to say
"I'll take your life from you!"
Flash before my eyes
Now it's time to die
Burning in my brain
I can feel the flames
Wait for the sign
To flick the switch of death
It's the beginning of the end
Sweat, chilling cold
As I watch death unfold
Consciousness my only friend
My fingers grip with fear
What I am doing here?
Someone help me
Oh please God help me
They are trying to take it all away
I don't want to die
Time moving slowly
The minutes seem like hours
The final curtain call I see
How true is this?
Just get it over with
If this is true, just let it be
Wakened by the horrid cream
Freed from the frightening dream
January 27th, 2002 12:12 AM
For those that think it's stupid to quote themes from LotR, I'm warning you to stop reading this.
One of the themes present is the idea of "becoming the new dark lord", basically, if we want to win at all costs, have we really won, or have we just become the next "dark lord". That's one of the reasons why war continues and probably always will continue. In order to prevail in a war, you're always going to have to "lower yourself" to the level of your enemy in order to win. If you do not, you'll never have victory. However, if you don't "lower yourself" to the level of your enemy, then you are conquered, and your society is taken over by the society of the conquerer. It's quite a nasty little paradox.
January 27th, 2002 12:14 AM
Re: The Death Penalty
Originally posted by Remote_Access_
This topic was originaly Conf1rm3d_K1ll's idea.
Well, here it is. I waited for you to post on the subject but you never did. Conf1rm3d_K1ll had a good statement:
And what if you did? It wouldn't be excusible.
Where would the justice be in the loss of an innocent life?
Thanks for starting it RA. I'd spent 18 hour online when I made the suggestion but just couldn't stay awake to start the thread! LOL..As the saying goes- "you snooze you lose"!!
Although I'm strongly against the Death Penalty I'm not going to write some huge thread as I'd just be repeating what most people have said already....Just a few quick points...
NO ONE has the right to take someone elses' life. NO ONE. Sure, some people waive their right to live amongst normal society after comitting horrendous crimes but IMHO killing criminals lowers us to their level. It's just barbaric. A quick search at Google will show the dozens of executions that have gone horribly wrong....
Another quick point- the US Justice System is not flawless and innocent people do get arressted. As previously stated, what if just one innoccent person is executed? It's inexcusable...
It's strange to accept how the majority of US Poloticians are so strongly "pro life" and "anti abortion" yet they'll kill with lethal injection or electricity (which is considered "cruel and unusual punishment" under international law) at the drop of a hat...
Anyway, I'm starting to rave...thanks again RA..
January 27th, 2002 12:27 AM
Hmmmm... Metallica-lyrics to prove someone's point... Hehe...what's next?
And what exactly is a 'murderer' in your opinion? Believe it or not, but bin Laden DID NOT fly those planes into the Towers... (after all, bin Laden is still alive... ). He obviously was the cause, yes...
Originally posted by Ramzi
When scrutonizing the beliefs that you've developed to make sure you still feel as if they are still right in your eyes, sometimes you need to take things to extreme. Kill a murderer? No. Well, how about killing Osama bin Laden? Extremes may affect what you believe.
I'm not going to start a USA-The Rest of The World-discussion here, but the American government has always supported Sharon , more reading here . My question: what's the difference? Kill bin Laden? Sure, but that would also mean killing Bush (twice, at least...the man has murdered a lot more people), Sharon (ohhh...kill him at least 25 times...)...
To all of you who don't agree with this point of view: remember what you said about the 'animals are worth as much as humans'-question
If someone raped and killed one of your nieces...shouldn't that person be raped and killed too? I mean, 'the punishment should fit the crime...' That's a sick argument imo, creating an endless circle...
Originally posted by Antihaxor
The punishment should fit the crime. If someone raped and killed one of my nieces ..I damn well would want the death penalty to be considered.
January 27th, 2002 12:35 AM
lol well being in the service of the govt for quite some time.. yeah i do agree with death penalty.. but then only in cases where the person IS a threat to the society... like Osama Bin Laden.. or any terrorists or even psycho killers who have taken many lives that even his own life isnt enough to pay for what he's due..
Some ppl really deserve to die and punished.. but like i said.. death penalty should be reserved only for those who are in worse cases..
If the person can be rehabilitated.. then why not.. let him/her have a second chance...
But if a person has commited a really serious and evil crime then he/she is bound to die either by someone else's hand or by the govt's death penalty.. atleast the death penalty has more dignity than being killed and thrown in the gutter by some d00d who wants to get his revenge on you...
January 27th, 2002 12:39 AM
January 27th, 2002 12:41 AM
Originally posted by Negative
My question: what's the difference? Kill bin Laden? Sure, but that would also mean killing Bush (twice, at least...the man has murdered a lot more people), Sharon (ohhh...kill him at least 25 times...)...
we all had 3 minutes of silence for the 3000 WTC victims.
But we never had 27 minutes of silence for the 27000 Africans who die from hunger EACH day.
So in Africa every day is a 11th september. I have nothing against those 3 minutes of course not. Even in Europe this terror was a big shock, but I only present this in order to show that you need to place things in perspective. Restrictions on market access for the poorest countries is still killing people in 21st century. Is it then justified to kill the United States Trade Representative because he has made the agreements?