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  1. #11
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    AOL is locking out everyone exept for AIM users.... I used to use GAIM for Linux..And now whenever I log on.. Im greeted with mesage that says 'Please upgrade to an authentic AOL-AIM client'. Pathetic isnt it... Just because AOL and M$ are fighting the users lose out
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  2. #12
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    why one earth do you think that you deserve the right to use their services. They only provide them as a means of generating income. If the makers of trillian and gaim are so concerned with the internet community's ability to chat, then they can setup their own servers and do as they wish. Get a clue you idiots, you can't expect something for nothing.
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    Yet another awe-inspiring post by Oblio's sharp-ass wit...

    why one earth do you think that you deserve the right to use their services. They only provide them as a means of generating income. If the makers of trillian and gaim are so concerned with the internet community's ability to chat, then they can setup their own servers and do as they wish. Get a clue you idiots, you can't expect something for nothing.
    They ruined ICQ when they bought out Mirabilis and I used to get porn-ads every day on ICQ before I said "To hell with this ****". What happened to privacy? It means nothing when AOL sells UIN lists to anyone with money. **** that noise and screw the whole 'provide them as a means of generating income' bullshit because guess what. AOL is the number one "ISP" because of it's UI, which handholds every dumbass with a computer bought at Best Buy, Walmart, you name it. Give a good product and yeah, I'll agree to that but AIM isn't a good product (exploits anyone?), it's simply the most used IM out there due to the #1 slot it holds. As for 'generating income', you mean the ads you're forced to endure with AIM? There's only so much you can turn off and I'm betting money that only lasts a bit longer before you're forced to look at ads, look at stock quotes for AOL, and other useless **** that isn't worth putting up there. As for Trillian, they're making a product that's compatible for 5 chat mediums, not server-hosted chatting, you dumbfsck. GAIM was probably done by someone who had some spare time and said 'Why can't linux users use AIM?'.

    No, let me tell you what it *really* is.. It's AOL being pissy because other chat clients can interface with their authentication (something *they* started with AIM/ICQ) and now that everyone does it, they're mad because said users aren't using "authentic" AIM programs.

    Secondly, I *SUPPORT* Trillian. I've donated 50 bucks to date with another 25 on the way to keep them in the fight for a better program. And you know what else? I'm about to tell all my friends who use AIM that I'm going to Yahoo so that then I can say "Screw AIM" altogether. Until then, I'm supporting Trillian and watching 2 programmers beat out everyone at AOL.
    Go Scott! Go Kevin!

    Why don't YOU get a clue (aka, stop putting down every post I've had the misfortune to read by you) and go post somewhere else because frankly, I, and others, am tired of your bullshit posts.
    We the willing, led by the unknowing, have been doing the impossible for the ungrateful. We have done so much with so little for so long that we are now qualified to do just about anything with almost nothing.
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    uh, first of all AOL has provided a java version and a linux version of aim for quite some time now. As a matter of fact the java version came out less than a year after aim was first released. Next Mirabilis didn't have to sell to AOL, they CHOSE to 1) because the price was right 2) because they realized the astronomical cost of hosting servers for the FREE usage of millions of people. How can you possibly think that you deserve the RIGHT to use such servers? News flash you complete idiot, you do not have this right. Lucky for you AOL provides this service free of charge and the only requirement is that their advertisements be present. Who the **** cares who you donate your money to, that is IRRELEVANT. The fact remains that AOL is under no obligation to let you use their servers. By your logic, any server hosting FTPD should give you access because it is there and you have paid the shareware fee for WS_FTP. Kudos to you for supporting free software, but shame on you for being a complete idiot. You are obviously anti capitalism and I suggest that you look into distributed chat where everyone is equal. Until then shut the **** up and open your eyes greedy guss. Oh and as for selling UIN lists, this is just a claim you made up with no evidence. There are many programs available to send messages to a range of UINs. They do not exactly need to SELL UIN lists considering they are issued sequentially.
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    Part of that's right, part of that's wrong. I won't tell you which. I'll leave that up to you to decide considering you're "oh so wise" in all aspects of security/programming/etc. Go back to your java (something you like to point out knowing) until you decide to actually post helpful messages/responses. Until then, you're useless.

    Points to me for giving someone of your kind credit for my erroneous post but you'll never admit that, would you? Not everyone using linux has java installed. It's not a 'requirement' for netscape/mozilla to load, it's simply a plug-in. As for being anti-capitalism, where the hell did you get that theory from? Oh wait, I remember now, you're Oblio, the guy who posted points as other people, cause trouble, post useless shite, and other nefarious activities... I'll end that rant now, seeing as it's a waste of time and space. We see who's really a complete idiot.

    BTW, you don't happen to use AOL, do you? I'd be forced to laugh at you mercilessly if you did.

    Enjoy the postive points I gave you just because it's a different aspect. We can all get along, I'm sure.
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    i never give points ever. A requirement of GAIM is that gtk be installed, a requirement of gtk is glibc. What point are you trying to make when saying that not everyone has a jre. Not everyone has glib and gtk... And yes I know java, which only is made in reference to java related posts. Java is an easy language to learn and I by all means do not consider it a great feat to know it. You need to calm down. Oh by the way the JRE that comes with netscape now is an official sun JRE and is not a plugin by any means.
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    I'll calm down when you make actual beneficial posts just like the one I'm replying to. It was actually informative and I'm not at all "hostile" as I may appear. As for JRE, that's something that you can download and install but by no means is necessary for your browser to work. If all browsers agreed, it could be straight Java (JRE) or .Net (something that MS seems to be betting the bank on but has bugs to work out). Yes, you're right, GTK is not on every machine but if you don't have glibc libraries, you're not doing much of anything. /usr/include and /usr/lib are default directories for all of this. As for Netscape, I don't keep up with it. Opera's my choice (bought copy) and I'm hoping it'll have official support for Java 1.4.1 (I think that's the latest, maybe beta). Systems administration is my job, not java or other plugins for browsers.
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    java 1.4 has not had an official release. And I dread when it does. The java AIM is not an applet, it is a standalone java application and has been around even longer than gaim.
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    I heard a rumor at my office,(( www.ev1.net )) that AOL is working on their own Operating System. Its supposed to be senior citizen proof.I havent heard much eles, which is why I am posting this to see if you guys have heard anything.

    I think it would be a great idea...even though i hate aol with a passion.I think it would make a big difference for the whole software industry. If they didnt integrate it with windows or some other existing OS. AOL is widley spread through out the counrty it would take a percentage of MICROSOFT's customers. There fore loosening Microsoft's MOnopaly..
    It is better to be HATED for who you are, than LOVED for who you are NOT.

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    java 1.4 has not had an official release. And I dread when it does. The java AIM is not an applet, it is a standalone java application and has been around even longer than gaim.
    What's wrong with 1.4? I'm not as savvy in java as I am hardware/system-wise so I thought, generally speaking, that an updated java version would be a good thing. Are they changing some core component that screws something up or something like that? As far as java AIM, if that's a standalone application, why not just bundle it as another program? AFAIK, the java AIM client was a workaround for firewalls, allowing anyone behind a rather restrictive firewall to bypass it because it's part of web traffic (port 80). Lots of programs use that trick now, and it's getting interesting to see how rulesets for firewalls will work in the future.

    The whole point on my support for trillian (for clarification only) is that trillian does nothing more than authenticate and pull a buddy list from a server. If people want to use AIM, they will as I've met a lot of people who use AOL and AIM and won't use anything else. However, if people are wanting to try other programs, there are a very limited few out there. Running an IM client with fast servers is very expensive, as stated earlier, but that's par for the course for a 'free' program (albeit, free with ads and other things) that's used for garnering other clients (income, as you put it). Maybe with the support Trillian's getting, they'll be able to put up servers themselves and then what? I would guess AIM programmers would then figure out how to pull clients from Trillian servers or cross-authenticate AIM with Trillian/etc. Would that then not be the same as what AOL is trying to prevent? I see AOL as the sulking kid in the corner right now, mad because they're not keeping 100% of the people on AIM/AOL. It's no surprise that they're in a 'fight' with MS right now over the browser frontend (AOL wants theirs up front, MS wants IE up front, to put it in very short terms).

    Moral of the story: let everyone cross reference to everyone else. If IM clients are to be free and used to get other customers, then let the servers be used for authentication purposes only. And if Trillian does put up servers (unlikely), then I'll be telling everyone I know to switch to them, and I'll be getting off everything else.

    Last note: MS has done plenty of nasty tricks like this to prevent other programs/applications from working on windows operating systems. Anyone have opinions on that? Netscape on 95 anyone?
    That's a whole hell of a lot more anti-capitalistic than anything Trillian's ever done, that's for sure and AOL's 7.0 BSOD upon uninstallation isn't much better, rofl...
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