iNViCTuS - do remember you said that in another post but, in looking at sun's site right now I see that sunscreen 3.2 will be pkgd out with solaris 9. Which, of course, is not even released yet. It has been pkg with sol 8 trusted already. I don't see the eol part. Do you have a link? quote"Sun has focused future efforts beyond SunScreen 3.2 towards more fully integrating stateful packet filtering into Solaris rather than producing seperate layered firewall products. This Solaris feature is still under development" Is this what you mean. If so, they are building it into future solaris releases.