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    The background:

    My local newspaper published a front page story on Valentine's Day. Apparently our local mall had held a kissing contest. I thought it was a cool article, read it, and went on with my life. *chuckles* I thought it was nice to get the paper and finally -not- see blood and death on the front page.

    A few days later an editorial appeared screeching about the horrible perversion on the front page, berating the paper for corrupting the youth of america. Mildly baffled, and wondering what the author of the editorial was smoking, I re-read the article more carefully. Apparently the people running the contest had decided to be *gasps* openminded. They dared to allow a same-sex couple to enter.

    I ignored the first letter and went on with my life, until a few days later. Another letter appeared, castigating the first writer for her un-Christianlike attitude, taking the basic attitude, "Thank God for atheism." I found it amusing, clapped, and again went on with my life.

    Two more letters appeared, taking the tune of the first, but quoting the Bible in proliferation, making wild accusations about corruption and perversion. And then finally I got annoyed.

    It does take awhile, but when I get annoyed, I get hostile. I answered with my own letter. I actually had to speak to the editor of the paper to verify it was really mine. He didn't want to put an innocent person's name on it when they published it.

    Now I'm not sure if the point of this post is me asking a theological question or a moral one, but I'm curious for everyone's opinions of this anyway. What would you girls/guys have done? I'm going to post my letter as a response to this post. While I find offending people one of the joys in my life, I at least want to do it fully intentionally, so the post will be posted as a spoiler.

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    I would respond to the letters of those people criticizing the wonderfully upbeat article the Chronicle published earlier this year on Valentine’s day. I was curious as to the fuss about it, and dusted off my bible to do a bit of research. I’ll share what I found. "...I will take your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor, and he shall lie with your wives in the light of this sun." This bit of advice can be found in 2 Samuel 12:11, encouraging not only the rape of women, but public rape. I found another beautiful passage in Psalms 137:9, which reads, "Happy shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!" Last I looked up basic ethics, murdering defenseless children was wrong in pretty much everyone’s books, though apparently not here. The passage I found to be the greatest gem however, was found in Numbers 31:17, "Now therefore, kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman who has known man by lying with him. But all the young girls who have not known man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves." Perhaps this passage explains the clergy’s belief that the altar children are an escort service? It certainly permits the rape of children. For those who would point out that I have quoted only the Old Testament. I offer these words of Jesus, found in Luke 14:26, "If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple." I have read psychotic cult manifestos that didn’t read this harsh. I would question the intelligence, nay the very sanity, of anyone who uses this vile book as anything other than a paperweight. The few passages it contains with even the slightest value do not require intellectual slavery to a corrupt power-hungry pedophilic clergy. They can be found in any faith, or require no faith at all to adhere to. There are several who wrote squalling about the “evils” of homosexuality, and merrily quoting passages from this abomination to prove their points. I would ask whether they only use the passages they like, or if what I have said here is indeed true to their beliefs. If these truly are the beliefs they wish to force-feed others, may I offer a one-way ticket to Afghanistan? I’m sure the Taliban would be glad for the volunteers, for you sound little different then they.


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    Post You are very wrong

    in 2 Samuel 12:11, it is not encouraging rape, but describing his punishment for killing a woman's husband. It doesn't not say his wives will be raped, but that they will turn on him.

    In Psalm 137:9, it says "happy are those who grab your babies and smash them against the rocks." If you read the bible, you would know that before babylon was destroyed, there wasn't 1 single person who wasn't of evil in the town. This is why the town was destoryed. They also did evil things to other towns.

    in numbers 31:17. It is they punishment to the people of midian. They turned against God, and worshipped the idol baal. When you do something wrong, you get punished, it's that simple.

    and the fact that you think homosexuality is something to just shrugg your sholders at, is just plain sickening.

    so you say, and i quote, "I have read psychotic cult manifestos that didn’t read this harsh. I would question the intelligence, nay the very sanity, of anyone who uses this vile book as anything other than a paperweight"

    I am 13 years old, and I have figured all this out. Next time you decide to post a bunch of lies, try your best to get something to back them up.
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    Just a few thoughts

    Well I would like to post a purely personnel opinion on homosexuality and religion then post a question to anyone whom chooses to answer. Both of these might not sit well with some of you, but then I am merely one person, and have a right to my own opine, as I have free will (which as god created everything he in logical progression created free will and in so my opinion)

    Firstly on homosexuality, god let man make his own choices gave man free will to express how man see fit. It also stresses forgiveness to other yet some act seam not be forgivable, surely if you condemn man free will by passing judgement you are trying be god, because is it not god place to judge all mortal sins? In so you judgement and do not allow forgiveness then you yourself are taking he place of god, and no creation of god should presume to do such.

    Now my question please feel free to PM or post a response. If Adam and Eve where the very first 2 human upon this earth and in so the mother and father of all human kind. Be this true there is an irony, the bible condemns incest, meaning that every sexual act upon earth is a sin, meaning your god condemn the human species never to reproduce as to do so is a sin. Also the irony that in haven the virgin daughter is held in a higher position than her mother because the mother has had a sexual act. Form this god created reproductive organ that where not to be used, created a species that should die out if you are never to committed a sin. In so god making it a sin to reproduce. Taking this logic to an extreme as now I’m moving beyond my own beliefs but would like to pose this thought. If god created human in his own image, and also though the logic I stated earlier condemns reproduction, but allows sexual feeling and created these also, then surly under his scheme of thing homosexuality is greater than heterosexuality as we where never meant to reproduce. Also why great the act of forgiveness if you where never meant to sin? Your thought?

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    [gloworange]I was reading your post, and i got about 1 line down and got really bored, so I quit readin it. Mabye you should shorten it, and take out the lies, and i would read it...[/gloworange]
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    Good for you Keisha I`m glad that you posted the letter here. I agree with most of what you wrote. The people are very quick to gross out someone about what they are, but their preists can destroy the lives of countless children and all they say is "Oh hes a good man it must of been the children who caused him to stray". And has anyone noticed that most of the victums are young boys. So Anirak how can you spout off about what the bible says and gross out about homosexuals when the preists are homosexuals and are doing much worst. These are suppose to the leaders in moral standards. To me this is sicker than some couple who love each other having a kiss big deal so they are gay so what. Is it harming you NO and at least they are not out ther abusing children. Befor anyone throws stones they should make sure that they dont live in glass houses. My 2 cents worth.
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    NOTE: Some of the opinions expressed below are not my opinion just a relay of facts and/or statements expressed in the bible.

    Firstly on homosexuality, god let man make his own choices gave man free will to express how man see fit.
    but the bible also forbids homosexuality "a man shall not lay down with another man..."

    as for the incest thing, there are many possible interpretations and such about this saying that God made things work out. (some people think that the incest law wasn't into effect until later and so on)

    Kiesha, i respect the fact that you were willing to take a stand for what you believe in, and i agree that those people where extremists. they did need to be dealt with. i agree a hundred percent but the one thing i disagree with... you took the verses way out of context to support your point. but i respect the fact that you tried to fight back.
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    but the bible also forbids homosexuality "a man shall not lay down with another man..."
    The bible also forbids sex for purposes other than procreation. This includes masturbation, oral sex, anal sex, sex with a prophylactic, or any other type of sex that doesn't involve a penis ejaculating unhindered inside a vagina.

    I dislike it when people only agree with parts of the bible that suit their opinion. (I'm not directing this to the person who made the original quote, it's just a general statement.)
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    actually, in every Christian book i've read about sex, it does not say that maturbation is wrong. I am not sure about the rest tho.
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    It doesn't specifically say anything about masturbation, that I know of, but it does forbid sex for purposes other than procreation. Last I checked, that requires two people.
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