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    IRC is The Devil!

    I thought this article was interesting. I get a kick out of how they make IRC out to be the devil. I especially like this quote:
    the FBI's National Infrastructure Protection Center (NIPC) didn't provide any statements to CNN regarding what goes on in Internet Relay Chat
    Ph33r the evils that occur on those dreaded chat networks. I hate to be the one who bursts CNN's bubble, but I guess they forgot about all the warez rooms on AOL. Also I guess all the popular security bugs that AOL is well known for which reveal customer credit card information slipped CNN's mind as well.
    (AOL Time Warner is the parent company of CNN.)
    Surprise. Surprise.

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    (CNN) -- Computer security expert Chad Harrington regularly surfs Internet Relay Chat (IRC), one of the oldest chat technologies on the Web. The IRC networks have names like Dalnet and EFnet, but he agrees that another name works just as well: eBay for hackers.

    "Once the hacker or someone in the underworld has personal information, credit card numbers, social security numbers, address, whatever it may be," says Harrington, once the hacker "has that information and wants to sell it, often they'll go to a hacker chat room, a place on the Web using an Internet Relay Chat which provides them some anonymity and allows them to mention that they have this personal information and they want to trade."

    The ability for hackers to go onto the Internet and chat up fellow hackers is as old as the Net itself. But with identity theft becoming a more popular form of fraud, according to the Federal Trade Commission (FTC), more attention is being paid to chat rooms that serve as flea markets for hackers.

    "We know that credit card numbers are bought and sold over the Internet because they have real cash value," says Bruce Schneier, founder and CTO of Counterpane Technologies and a pioneer in network security.

    "A lot more credit card numbers are stolen than ever used, but you should assume that right now, in your wallet, there's a credit card number that has been stolen off the Net."

    Both Schneier and Entercept Security Technology's Harrington say that your stolen personal information can be swapped or sold in other Web venues. But IRC is largely unregulated -- a Wild West of chat that has a special appeal for hackers.

    "Hackers obviously want anonymity when they're looking to trade personal information that they've obtained via identity theft, so Internet Relay Chat is a commonly used mechanism," says Harrington.

    Difficult to monitor
    The unfettered nature of IRC is also appealing to hackers, says Schneier.

    "It's older, it's not tied to Microsoft or AOL or a big company, it's one of the Internet protocols ... so if you're running Windows or Linux or Macintosh or another flavor of Unix, you can use it," says Schneier. "So it's not that it's more suitable for hackers to use, it's just a more basic service and people who are anti-big-corporation are going to be more likely to use something like IRC."

    (AOL Time Warner is the parent company of CNN.)

    That same aspect of IRC also makes it a tough digital obstacle for law enforcement.

    "In the electronic world of the Internet, it's such a vast landscape and there's no way that the FBI and CIA or any law enforcement agency can be involved in watching over the shoulder of every Internet user," says Harrington. "Unfortunately, that's probably what it would have to take to prevent this sort of fraud."

    Occasionally the FBI gets lucky. The feds were able to track down the hacker known as "Mafiaboy" when he bragged about his exploits in chat rooms.

    And while the FBI's National Infrastructure Protection Center (NIPC) didn't provide any statements to CNN regarding what goes on in Internet Relay Chat, security experts say it's a matter of law enforcement manpower and trying to track down hackers in a very crowded -- and loud -- chat room.

    http://www.cnn.com/2002/TECH/interne...oms/index.html
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    I don't see how IRC is that anonymous. If they caught a guy bragging on IRC how is it THAT anonymous. Anyway, just shows the twist CNN gives it's articles.

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    My thoughts exactly. CNN sucks. They make it sound like IRC is the reason these malicious hackers exist. Imagine someone who doesn't know what IRC is will think after reading this article.

    Not to mention a simple /whois will give you the user's Host and IP Address. Yea, real anonymous.
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    Cool

    Yep when I worked for CBS we called CNN chicken noodle news
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    Gee jared_c don't mean to hurt your feelings, but http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=224748 was posted by thor over 3 hours earlier. Although he just included a link to the site, not the entire article.
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    Not to mention a simple /whois will give you the user's Host and IP Address.
    Umm, only one problem with that. Many systems, like irc.antionline.com use vhosts, so it masks at least part, if not all, of your location. Although you can often find someone's ip address that way...
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    souleman, didn't see that. Before I post something I skim the front page to see if there is a thread already listed. I didn't see any mention of this on the front page at the time of my post. Oh well, **** happens. I've had people post things that I already posted too. No biggie.

    Also in this article they specifically mention efnet and dalnet. Last time I was on there (long time ago) the /whois would give you the host name, and the IP.
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    When i first read the topic "IRC is the devil" I was figuring, yup it sure as hell is. In a sarcastic way of course.

    once the hacker "has that information and wants to sell it, often they'll go to a hacker chat room, a place on the Web using an Internet Relay Chat
    Now that is just funny. 'hacker chat room'? they could atleast get the terminology correct for ONE thing. Its a channel dammit! Its bad enough they call crackers hackers.

    Occasionally the FBI gets lucky. The feds were able to track down the hacker known as "Mafiaboy" when he bragged about his exploits in chat rooms.
    Thought Mafiaboy was on AOL?

    I hate to be the one who bursts CNN's bubble, but I guess they forgot about all the warez rooms on AOL.
    I'll do it gladly!

    Funny article, thanks Jared_C. Started my day off with a laugh.
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    del C:/Mirc

    don't want the FBI tracking me down and discovering such a malcious hac|<0r tool on my HD

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