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    What's the deal with China?

    I was over at Blackcode.com wondering and farting around on the net on my lucnh break and an Article called"U.S. fears 'cyberattacks' by Chinese armed forces." I just wondered if anyone has heard anymore about this subject?

    Here is the full article that was over at Blackcode

    U.S. intelligence officials believe the Chinese military is working to launch wide-scale ''cyberattacks'' on American and Taiwanese computer networks, including Internet-linked military systems considered vulnerable to sabotage, according to a classified CIA report.
    Moreover, U.S. authorities are bracing for a possible wave of hacking attacks by Chinese students against the United States in coming weeks, according to the analysis. The confidential alert, which was reviewed by The Los Angeles Times, was sent to intelligence officials a week ago.

    Although U.S. officials have voiced concerns about individual hackers in China who have defaced federal and private websites, the United States has resisted publicly linking the Chinese government to those attacks or to broader cyberstyle warfare.

    The new CIA report, however, makes clear that U.S. intelligence analysts have become increasingly concerned that authorities in Beijing are actively planning to damage and disrupt U.S. computer systems through the use of Internet hacking and computer viruses.

    `INTENDED GOAL'

    Although the assessment concludes that China has not yet acquired the technical sophistication to do broad damage to U.S. and Taiwanese systems, it maintains that this is the ''intended goal'' of the People's Liberation Army in China. ''The mission of Chinese special forces includes physical sabotage'' of vulnerable systems, the report says -- a sign that some analysts said is driven by China's hostility toward Taiwan.

    The Chinese Embassy in Washington insisted Wednesday, however, that Beijing is only conducting computer research that is strictly defensive in nature.

    ''It is not the Chinese government's policy to disrupt the computer system of any other country,'' said Larry Wu, an official in the embassy's science and technology section.

    ''We do research on the security of computers, of course -- self-defense to understand how a hacker can get into our computer systems so we can defend it,'' he said. ``But China has never assumed an offensive stance with regards to computer technology.''

    `VERY WORRIED'

    But several specialists in Chinese security and military affairs said the CIA's conclusions jibe with their own observations about China's research into offensive-minded cybertools.

    ''We should be very worried about this issue,'' said James Mulvenon, a China analyst at the Rand Corp. think tank who has done extensive studies into Chinese computer capabilities.

    Taiwan, which China regards as a renegade province, appears to be the driving force behind the Chinese interest in hacking and viruses, Mulvenon said.

    Under one scenario, if China were to make good on its long-standing threat to invade Taiwan, the Chinese military could then seek to deploy widespread computer disruptions against American and Taiwanese military systems to slow any effort by U.S. forces to intervene in Taiwan's defense, Mulvenon said.

    The issue threatens to inflame what are invariably tense relations between the United States and the Communist regime in China.

    Recent months have seen a warming in relations as the Bush administration secured China's cooperation in the war on terrorism.

    But China has become upset by what it sees as the White House's increasingly favorable overtures toward Taiwan.

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    Wasnt this just posted?
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    People in the U.S are always defacing Chinese web sites. But it’s viewed as ok because there dirty commies.

    I think this whole thing is like the cold war but only lamer with computer nerds instead of James Bond.
    Its not software piracy. I’m just making multiple off site backups.

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    Wasn't this just posted yeah sure it was I just like making things stick in peoples brain

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    Taiwan, which China regards as a renegade province, appears to be the driving force behind the Chinese interest in hacking and viruses, Mulvenon said.

    Under one scenario, if China were to make good on its long-standing threat to invade Taiwan, the Chinese military could then seek to deploy widespread computer disruptions against American and Taiwanese military systems to slow any effort by U.S. forces to intervene in Taiwan's defense, Mulvenon said.
    Back in 1972, US President Nixon agreed in principle
    to China's claim that Taiwan is a part of China.
    The time to fight over this issue has passed.

    As unfair as it may be to the residents of Taiwan,
    It will eventually be back under the rule
    of the mainland government, and as I said,
    the USA has already agreed to it.

    I doubt we would go to war over it, and I doubt
    that the Chinese gov't would engage in
    computer sabotage in this case. They're already
    going to get Taiwan anyway, without force.
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    China has been deploying offensive missiles along the coast near Taiwan.

    The US has been beefing up anti-missile systems in Taiwan. I just read two days ago that 175 more anti-missile missiles were shipped or are being shipped there.

    Many major industrial players, with a lot of influence, have BOO-COO money invested there and are reaping major profits from Taiwan.

    The westernized population of Taiwan fears the Chinese takeover. They do have a nasty habit of ‘cleansing’ things in a very bloody way to preserve the ‘purity’ of their state. The red guard, executed anyone thought to be an intellectual, during one such ‘cleansing’.

    I wouldn’t write checks against this Taiwan/China thing going smoothly.

    The Chinese have been responsible for the Sad Mind internet worm, the first to take advantage of the IIS directory transversal vulnerability. It defaced web sites with a page stating ‘the us government sucks’ and renamed a copy of cmd.exe to root.exe and placed it in scripts for future exploitation. Code-red and nimda also hail from china. They had ‘infected’ servers operating at two Chinese universities, which were not shut down ignoring many international complaints.

    Chinese hackers have had a vendetta on western educational sites, it seems they’re unhappy with the way we depict the Chinese people and their way of life…poor babies.

    The Chinese not only condone hacking, they teach it. The West has been suppressing any knowledge on the subject and threatens those who would learn these skills, with an anti-patriot bill. Go figure.
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    Tedob1 I totally agree with you and thanks for making those points and it kinds of brings a relavance to what might be going on now and in the future.

    What's everyones ethical ideas about China influencing hacking and the U.S. surpressing it? That brings up a good point. China has defenatley been more active in the computer field. The time a cyber war hits the U.S. will get the big stiffy. hehe. Does anyone else agree?

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    When everyone here speaks of China, I hope they are just speaking of the Chinese government, because there are millions of people over there that I don't think are really involved or responsible for much. I know that there are many Chinese hackers out there doing damage (There is allegedly one attending highschool in my vicinity), but I believe that the root of the problem is still their govt. On the other hand, it's incredible how some of the students from mainland China are here in America and can still defend their govt. They must be brainwashed. One day I hope things will change and minds will be free.

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    Speaking of Chinese (mainland) students in America, what's up with that? I know the US government wants to work at improving relationships with Mainland China, but why are we teaching them physics and technology? Couldn't some of this stuff be used against us one day?
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