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    FIRST OF ALL I WANT TO START OUT WITH THIS DISCLAIMER.

    THIS LINK IS NOT FOR THE WEAK OF HEART. IT IS VERY DISTURBING. I AM NOT GOING TO SAY MY OPINION EITHER WAY, I AM PUTTING THIS IS UP FOR DISCUSSION.

    I saw this story on TV and it got my attention so I thought I would share this with you.

    The question here is not Abortion...PRO or CON, it is whether or not a person has the right to take pictures of people going into and leaving Abortion Clinics and posting them on the Internet as a deterrent, as a way to scare people away from the Clinics because of fear their pictures will be seen on the Internet.

    http://209.41.167.182/

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    Abortion is a matter I am strongly torn on.....
    I believe in your body your choice but then again I would never (when given a choice) allow an abortion and have made the point very clear to my g/friend - who happily agrees.....in my eyes adoption is alot better than death! But then who am I to tell other people how to run their lives?

    But then if a child was 1 minute old and a doctor killed it everyone would be outraged! When does it become a crime to take away a human life? Some would argue that whilst in the womb it is not a life simply a collection of cells or foteus.....but it has now been shown that even as a foteus the child is an individual with thoughts and even the ability to feel pain. And I personnaly would not like butcherd in such a way.....so why do some people feel it is ok to do so to an unborn child??

    Appologies I don't mean to start pushing my own point of view cause as I said I also believe firmly in your body your choice - so as you can see am torn on this issue...

    One thing I am not torn on tho is the site mentioned by TotalChaos - I don't think it is a good idea at all! It is counter-productive. How can the anti-abortionists think that such a dirty tactic will help them win any sort of political backing - yes it may deter the odd person from getting an abortion and some would say that it has done its job if it has saved one life.......but with proper political backing hundreds of lives could be saved.

    Plus the site endangers the lives of those people who have visited the clinics - what if some extreme fanatic recognises a picture and goes after them? Who then has blood on thier hands? The site has been too late to stop the person from getting an abortion but yet they are indirectly responsible for another life being taken.......is that what they want?

    Another thing to note as AO is a security site alot of people here are intrested in keeping their computers/networks safe - as well as protecting their own privacy from prying eyes. That site is a direct violation of the privacy of everyone pictured on it!!!

    [nutshell]Should abortion be legal? Who knows, everyone's circumstances could be different meaning that they would have a different reason for answering yes or no! Is abortions.com a good idea? No - they are tainting their cause with dirty tricks and almost terrorist like tactics....do the people behind it want to save unborn childrens lives or ruin those of a few people, while ultimatly gaining their cause no major ground?[/nutshell]

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    ohhhhhhh one last thing I would like to add

    as this is quite a controversial subject where people are bound to have extreme and differing view points please remember your antipoint-etiquite

    antipoints are for awarding people you think deserve them for whatever reason - they could have made a very good point or hell they might just have perfect grammar but please remember that antipoints are not for punishing people who have a differnet view point to yourself....

    If people wern't allowed to hold different views to each other this world would be very borring indeed......so please don't award neg antipoints because you disagree with what someone has said - post why you disagree....at best you may even give them something to contemplete and perhaps sway their a view a little at worst you will have added something to the debate and shown you are capable off some intelligent thoughts - either way you win!

    neg points were deigned for people who asked silly lil lamer questions ("how do i hack hotmail?") or for those who set out just to cause trouble (not naming names *cough*oblio*cough*GbinaryR*cough* so can we keep them for such people? please?

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    There was a booth in the merchants building of our county fair here in Ohio this past summer that featured much of the same thing. Publicly posting the gruesome abortion pictures. I am not going to state my opinion on this, as this is a subject that I am very torn on, but I wanted to say, going back to the booth, that the people running it were children, just little girls handing out flyers.

    Maybe scare tactics work for some people, but this I find rather distasteful, and in the instance of the booth I wouldn't want my 6 year old daughter running it, when it's something they aren't fully old enough to understand. I'm torn because there are certain catalysts for a person to make that decision, and it's not my right to judge anyone.

    And CAMS? Just goes to show how far some social groups will go to prove a point.
    As I said before. Distasteful.

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    *LOL* I just read my post....I must be really tired because for some reason it didn't seem like it made any sense....please excuse me, it's 5 am and I haven't been to bed yet...

    I know what I meant in that post....hahaha good enough...

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    ok, i will save my opnion of abortion itself for another time and perhaps even another place.

    this PISSES ME OFF... now please excuse this language but whoever made this site can honestly go f**k themselves. i have an idea. i'm going to go into their bedroom and take pictures of them masturbating. why will i do that? to try to detur them from masturbating...i mean EVERY good christian(roflmao, i cant believe i just said that) knows its a sin.
    infact, i believe i will adopt a statement only slightly modified from their page(changed words are in bold):

    A MASTURBATION DETERRANCE IS AT HAND

    There is a way to deter masturbation that is so obvious and so obviously effective that the question has to be asked, why have all the people who claim to be opposed to masturbation not already created this deterrent?

    What is this deterrent?

    Publishing the pictures on the Internet of the people who go to masturbate to immoraly injure their soal can deter masturbation like nothing we have seen since masturbation became previlant in the USA.

    You scoff?

    Ask yourself this: If you were arroused, would you be more or less likely to go masturbate if you knew there was a possibility your picture might be published in a place where your friends and family and the whole world might see it. Only a liar would deny it: you would be less likely.

    Anything that makes people less likely to choose masturbation is a real world deterrent to masturbation, and, if implemented correctly, will save countless soals from an eternity of punishment.

    The point is plain and simple: If we actually want to deter masturbation, we must publish those pictures.

    Here's why: 1. They will create a real deterrence that will save the soles of people who would otherwise be lost at the hands of lust or some other carnal indungance. 2. By publishing those pictures we will begin to undo some of the confusion that has been created by the pro-masturbation trend.

    What confusion?

    The pro-masturbation movement has sown confusion in this nation by treating people who harm their soles as victims who needed to be ministered to rather than sinners who must be punished.

    If you've followed the history of popularized masturbation at all, you know what I'm saying is true. With popularized masturbation a national consensus was reached, a consensus that included Christians of all varieties, and that consensus was to treat the people who sin through masturbation as somehow immune from criticism because...why? They had no other choice? What a lie!

    Because they are damaged themselves by their decisions? Any person who takes the life of a human being without justification is damaged thereby. But hardly anybody suggests serial murderers should be immune from public censure because their actions damage themselves as well as the people they kill. Why should masturbaters be treated differently?

    They were misled by the government? By the time a person reaches "masturbation age", God gives them grace enough to know right from wrong no matter how evil the government or society they are a part of...and a human worthy of the name has to be prepared to resist those evil forces that would tempt them to masturbate, or she must suffer the consequences.

    Are people who masturbate learning about the consequences? Go to any "sexualy open-minded" organization and their literature reeks with words about the poor "victims" who's soles are harmed through masturbation(ok, thats a stretch, but i'm just fitting it in form...). Where else in history have people who have decided to enguage in immoral sexual behavior been treated as victims? Sure, there have been rare instances where people ...random rather pointless babble here with no real substance or suporting evidence... But even in those cases there was an ambiguity in history's verdict because history has always understood that the first priority of christians is supposed to be the well-being of their soles. We might understand the rare instances where masturbation must take place because it was a choice between that and even less moral sexual acts, but that is certainly not the case today.

    There are words for what a person does when they masturbate, and those words must be used: words like [two words removed because a good subsitute could not be found], and evil, and sin, and punishable by law and God. Those are good words and true and they must be applied to people who masturbate. And those masturbating people must be held up for the world to see.

    Up until now the masturbaters have been protected. They have been getting a free ride from everyone except God Almighty. But that cannot continue if we expect to actually create any kind of deterrence with the power to protect God's children's soles.

    Go to http://www.masturbationcams.com and you will see that we are helping to deter masturbation in this nation. And get your friends to go to the Web site also, and get them to sign up for our mailing list. In this way, mothers who go to kill their babies will be exposed to the world. Just as Ephesians 5:11 commands God's people to "have nothing to do with the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but rather expose them..." so we, in obedience to God's command expose the people who masturbate.

    The proof that this work is deterring masturbation is seen by the howls and demonic groans coming from [Insert sexual information source] and the other forces committed to sexual freedom. Further proof is found in fact that the impotent pro-sexial freedom organizations that have provided their staff members with all the comforts of a middle-class lifestyle while millions of God's children's soles were butchered around them are actually allying themselves with sexual freedome orginazations in attempting to stop us.

    It is time for this confusion to stop and the deterrence to grow!

    Help us make the deterrence grow. We have every legal right to do it, and God commands it. How can you refuse to do what you can to help?

    So go out to your local porn store(bad example, but whatever...havent slept in too long, cant think) and send us the pictures of the "good christions" going to masturbate. Those pictures will become the catalyst for a real deterrence that will slowly settle across this land.

    If you can't do that, send us your support(in other words we, like everything else "church-related" want you to send us your $) and your prayers so we can have the resources we need to fulfill this calling.

    No? You won't help us? Do you still insist that publishing the pictures of the "good christians" who masturbate? Then the logic of your position requires you to admit that you place a higher value on the mere emotional and social security of the "good christian" than the value you attach to the very sole of that person. It is self-evident to those with eyes that see that such an evil and perverted value structure is the root cause of masturbation in the USA. If we valued the soles of the masturbaters aswe value our own soles, we would not stand by and allow the people to masturbate: we would do what God will allow us to do to deter it, which is everything and anything because God gave us free will to do whatever we like and will never stop us, even if our technique is to kill anyone who masturbates...oh wait, thats not an arguement FOR my plan...oops.

    But if you do hold the present peace and security of the "good christians" at higher value than their own soles, if you hold such a confused and evil value system, make no mistake about it: to the people who created http://www.masturbationcams.com you are the enemy, no matter what name you give yourself. One of the ways God has given us to show our love for our enemies is to make sure such evil and perverted people hear the whole truth about themselves.

    But we know that most people receiving this message are our friends and the friends of all God's children's soles and the true friends of the Lord Jesus Christ. It is to those people that this mailing list is directed and to those people we appeal.

    For those with eyes to see, the time has come to create the deterrent that can be created by our obedience to Ephesians 5:11. Expose the evil, and the Living God will bless our obedience to His word by giving us power and giving us life and giving us grace.

    Won't you help us put the images online? Stills or streaming video will work. We are using only stills initially because the bandwidth required for streaming video costs too much to stream effectively. Besides, the stills can do everything we're trying to accomplish. So, get out there to your local erm...place where people masturbate with your zoom lenses and get those cameras rolling. Point and click. Send the output in any format--preferably digital--to:


    **** *******, PO Box ****, **********, **, *****.

    If you need more specific instructions, send your questions to abolishmasturbation@yahoo.com or masturbationabolition@hotmail.com. Or if you've got ideas and suggestions about how we can most effectively implement this deterrence, please let us hear from you.

    As reporters for The Christian Gallery News Service, the full protection of the First Amendment Freedom of the Press is available as we provide this vital news service to the American people and the people of the world.

    let me say the same thing i've already said 12 thousand times again:
    Go to your local place where people masturbate...er something and take the pictures that show the world the evil and horror being perpetuated there. And send us those pictures. Today.

    And don't forget to tell your friends about the deterrance we're creating. Encourage them to go to the Web site and sign up for this mailing list.

    Finally, may the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ enlighten your every moment as you stand in the battle at hand; and having done all you can do, stand.

    **** *******, 5/07/02

    Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them. Eph. 5:11
    also, note the idiotic repitition of the same damn things over and over...blech, how blinded by "the light" can one get...i think we now know.

    [EDIT HISTORY]
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    2) fix typo's(so eye'm noot greet at speeling :-P)

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    You go in to the convenience store, and there is a
    camera watching you as you buy your gallon of
    milk and six-pack of beer.
    Get used to it. It is not illegal for someone to take
    your picture in a public place.

    They could even put your head on a nude body
    and post it on the internet to make you look bad.

    Freedom of speech is a two-edged sword.
    I came in to the world with nothing. I still have most of it.

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    You go in to the convenience store, and there is a
    camera watching you as you buy your gallon of
    milk and six-pack of beer.
    A fav saying over here in N.Ireland is "the IRA kills people does that make it right?"
    Just because someone does something all the time does not mean that what they do is the right thing!!

    Taking someones picture in public isn't illegal but how many peps would appriciate someone standing outside your local FPC (family planning clinic - I dunno if they have them anywhere else cept uk...are like clinics which dish out contraceptives etc without keeping any records of who the person is that came to see them) taking pictures and posting them on the web......but strict RC's (roman catholics) do not believe in contraception and see it as a sin - does that give them the right to embaress people enough to stop them from getting protection? If this kinda thing did happen over here I know that the number of teen pregnancy's, esp among those below the age of consent, would triple!!

    Some things in life have to be left to a persons own discretion.....sites like abortions.com are an invasion of privacy and undermine the causes message!

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    Originally posted here by rcgreen
    You go in to the convenience store, and there is a
    camera watching you as you buy your gallon of
    milk and six-pack of beer.
    Get used to it. It is not illegal for someone to take
    your picture in a public place.

    They could even put your head on a nude body
    and post it on the internet to make you look bad.

    Freedom of speech is a two-edged sword.
    well, this really isnt a question of legality. nobody is going to argue this is illegal, its just a question of right and wrong. would you like it if people took pictures of you about to do things that are controversial/not quite socially acceptable? i really doubt you would.

    what if this site was about homosexuals? you know alot of hard-core chatholics think thats the worst sin there is(they happen to be incredibly stupid). would you like it if you(or one of your friends if you arent homosexual) had your(their) picture posted on the internet exposing you(them) to possible hate crimes. i mean as if it isnt hard enough to walk into an abortion clinic with people outside calling you a killer/sinner/evil/ect. now they are going to show it to EVEN MORE extremests?

    please...this is a horible thing to be doing.
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    It's times like this, I'm reminded of some good reasons to not be religious. (Not that it's BS like this that actually made me change)
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