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    they would be considered living in the computer world.

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    As falde said: biological viruses are not considered living.They are fragments of DNA, usually DNA and protiens- not single cell organisms. Viruses can not supstain life by definition without infection of living cells.

    Just for the record also, viruses don't eat anything, they infect. They also don't reproduce, the cell they infect reproduces new infected cells.

    Athough it is an interesting point, your anology doesn't quite work.

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    Next thing you know people are going to start claiming that there sims are alive.
    I have to agree with this one. Code is code. Biology is biology. I have not seen artificial intelligence yet, and computer virii are only as smart as the programmer doing the code. And if anybody is a programmer has seen pretty buggy virus code.

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    There is a lot of AI software out there. With the technology we have today it is fully possible to build a robot that can do everything an insect can do and even add some properties real insects does not have.

    As insects are regarded alive perhaps this robots also should be called alive.

    Now I will repeat myself: There are however no definition of what is life and what is not.

    With the lack of definition there is no real answer of this topic.

    “Next thing you know people are going to start claiming that there sims are alive.”
    What arguments do you have supporting that? Remember that most reptiles and insects do act fully on instincts, totally without the ability to learn. Just as most characters in computer games. Worms have so simple nervous system that we can fully simulate them, is the simulation of a worm “brain” less alive than a real worm?

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    they only follow tasks given by the programmer, ive done robotics and computing, if u give robots sensors, it can only react to certain situations if uve allowed it to do so, if not it just halts the process, and waits for a human, tehy have no capacity to learn or evolve. this include virii, its true that klez evolved to include CIH, but thats only because the worm ran on an infected machine, and to CIH the worm was only another file to infect. its just luck that this happend.
    a virus cannot choose its payload, it is told what to do and when to do it when the programmer chooses it to do so.

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    As said before, there is no universal definition for life, and people question if real world virii are alive, and if they are not then computer virii cannot be alive either...

    Personally I wouldn't have a problem with Computer virii being considered "alive", or considered "virutal" life, to reflect the fact that they have very little actual space (though they do occupy a distinct space on a hard drive, so they do have some volume, if small).

    If Virii are alive, how would this affect other primitive AI like Eliza or bots (like the Anti Chat bot that has been mistaken for a real person?).... true they are not the equals of you and I, but neither are cats/dogs/rats/frogs/etc., but we still think they are alive and intellegent....

    Shouldn't this question be in Cosmos? This is a very philsophical discusion afterall...
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    A virii is a living thing in a non-living thing(computer).
    Listen closely to your enemies. They tell you your faults.

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    well done, not only did u miss what we`ve been saying but didnt make any sence politryx.
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    I was reading over what everyone said and I must agree, a virii is a stran of code put together by a programmer to accomplish a certain task....

    Yes, you turn off the power, the virii stops "living" or functionning....

    Then again, if AI is a form of "life" (loosely used) would the infection be as well??

    I understand that a biological virus is not real, but a mixture of chemicals...

    I find it interesting what everyone has said about this topic and continue to encourage others to give their views...

    Ecologists will argue that a bio virus is alive...
    Chemists will argue that it isn't...

    Like preep said

    i recomend u looking for the Ebook "little balck book of computer viruses" my mark ludwig, he gives quite allot of information from the concepts of VX to payloads and other ASM funtions..
    I have actually read his ebook and that's what kinda started this tread. I was wondering the arguments against and for the definition of life and how it applies to a virii (pc)

    Also, jcmcb said

    As said before, there is no universal definition for life, and people question if real world virii are alive, and if they are not then computer virii cannot be alive either...
    Which is why I ask this question, to know what everyone else thinks....





    Side note: jcmcb, you are correct, this should be in Cosmos, I made the mistake of putting it in the wrong tread cat. *my bad*

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    Viruses don’t make any kind of screaming noise when you kill them so I’m going to go with not living.

    One more thing even if you classify a computer virus as some kind distant retarded cousin of this thing called life does anyone really care.
    Its not software piracy. I’m just making multiple off site backups.

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