more terrorist attacks coming!

[Tedob1]

I don’t know how it is around the rest of the country but around the NY area there are a lot of news broadcasts about upcoming terrorist attacks. Their telling us to watch out for terrorist turning rented apartments. into bombs and we all should increase our vigilance.

IMO if we learned anything at all from sept. 11, its not to stand by and let it happen, don’t wait for the proper authorities to show up to handle it if you see something about to happen, a lot of lives can be lost if you do. In the past if an airline passenger got out of hand or acted threatening every one just sat there and let ‘whoever’ handle it. Now it’s quite common for passengers to subdue a threatening person themselves.

I was wondering how everyone else feels about this and what their doing, if anything as private citizens?

[cF_nM]

I live in IN and we're getting the same genre broadcasts here also, but as my social studies teacher said-as more and more reports come out and nothing happens, we get more and more numb to it and after a while just ignore it all together...
As a member of the Indiana Army National guard-we're prepared for any sort of attacks, and can/will respond to attacks very quickly...
As my personal opinion-nothing is going to happen in IN even though the second largest ammunition depot is here in IN......

[thesecretfire]

First of all, the warnings are just the government trying to cover their own asses, so that attention is divereted away from other issues. Tedob1, citizens do have certain responsibilities, but there are reasons why vigilantism is generally not permitted.

As for any subsequenbt terrorist attacks, it'll be something new that few people have thought of it. Before 9/11, I would say few people would have considered terrorists could hijack planes to use them as weapons...it's hard to expect the unexpected.

[Tedob1]

Yep! secretfires right we can all go back to sleep. and besides, if we take it apon ourselves to try an stop a terrorist an innocent person might get hurt.

[zaggy]

I agree with secretfire, it is hard to expect the unexpected, we can only hope that if there are more terrorist attacks that the terrorists will tip their hands and something can be done about it before many innocent people get hurt again.

[Tedob1]

being vigilant does not mean vigilantism, maybe if you saw the structures that were part of your everyday life shown on the TV and listed as targets for terrorists, and were told to expect suicide bombers to attack the us and know that they mean your area. you might ask yourself. what would you do if you saw that someone had canister strapped to their chest. try to divert trafic, yell you ass off, run like hell. or if you saw someone pulling a machine gun out of a duffel bag. these are the actions of terrorists and i expect these things will happen. these things are very real to me.

[Dr Toker]

Well, me? I have taken up my own investigation. I don't trust the FEDs cause they don't tell us anything worthy if being trusted. I have been immersed in Terrorist tracking. I live in Houston, which is a port city right near the gulf of mexico. Many 'Jihad Ma Chowdaas' could come here easily by boat. We have "open ports", if you will. I have been trying to understand their mind set. I have been speaking with a member here by the name of bimmer, who happens to be a Palestinian. As it seems, just about every Palestinian HATES the Jews. And just about every devout Muslim supports Hammas,PLO and other Palestinian Militant groups in one way or another. They are after all, fighting for their holy land. Well unfortunatly for the Arab world, that supports them, they don't have an real army. They have uneducated people willing to kill themselves because what the Islamic Teachers have been raising them for.So they must attack civilians, hence the lable "Terrorist". Fighting is in their blood. Death runs thick. I have spoken with a few muslim priests. Or what ever you call em. Even in their apologetics, they cannot negate the fact that the suicide bombing in Isreal is, by the law of Islam, not only okay, but the main way to get to Heaven and get your "13 Celestial Virgins". He showed me scriptures that I have showed you guys stating how hating the jewish people is basically a the way to go. There are also scriptures about the "Muslim, who didnt fight against the Jews."

In my very non politically correct opinion, all devout Muslims are a threat to National Security. But at this point, we could never make them leave. It would be un-American. I think our Americanism, and the freedom that we fought and still fight for will be the downfall. We are still allowing immigration, we are not showing any prejustice, we are being totally political, and peacefull about this. Like I said, our love of freedom will be our destruction. And I don't mind dying free.

[Tedob1]

Dr Toker i do believe if the **** hits the fan we'll she a major change in attitude. i don't think any action would be taken against the existing arab community, but i think it would be likely all those who came into this country within the last..say 6-12 months might be escorted out.

[Negative]

Hmmm, Dr Toker... a little biased, don't you think? Living in Houston,talking to ONE Palestinian and a couple of Muslim leaders... immersed??

As it seems, just about every Palestinian HATES the Jews.

That's like saying every Canadian hates the Americans after my conversation with ONE Canadian last week (he actually really really hated the Americans...).

You've been speaking to Bimmer... Reading Bimmer's reactions on this forum always reminded me of what's going on in the real world: a couple of amateurish Palestinians standing up against a well-trained giant Israelian army. Most of Bimmer's reactions weren't exactly reasonable, but what do you expect if he -someone who hardly speaks English, and has a different opinion- has to stand up against an army of experienced posters who know every trick in the box... We use our arsenal of tanks/rocket launchers to put his posts down... all he has left to defend himself are what you'd call 'terrorist techniques'.

So they must attack civilians, hence the lable "Terrorist".

I still don't understand you Americans' use of that word 'terrorist'... A terrorist is someone who is involved in terror, no? (Latin: terror -oris m. [fright , fear, terror; a frightening object]). Killing 20 people with a tank sounds just as 'terrific' (hence how you guys use that word in two -opposite - meanings) to me as killing 20 people by a suicide-attack... And I really don't understand how someone who is responsible for 152 death penalties can call someone else a terrorist...

And just about every devout Muslim supports Hammas,PLO and other Palestinian Militant groups in one way or another.

I really think you should differentiate between 'devout' Muslims, and 'extreme' Muslims.

Devout Muslims don't kill other people. Devout Christians don't kill other people. Devout Hindu's don't kill other people.

Extreme Muslims kill other people, as do extreme Christians and extreme Hindu's. Books like the Koran and the Bible are extremely usable for 'extreme' people to justify whatever they want to be justified: they're both full of interpretable quotes...
And the 'extreme' Israeli abuse the Bible just as much as the 'extreme' Palestinians abuse the Koran (and no, not ALL Palestinians are extremists, just like not all Israeli are extremists...).

In my very non politically correct opinion, all devout Muslims are a threat to National Security. But at this point, we could never make them leave. It would be un-American. I think our Americanism, and the freedom that we fought and still fight for will be the downfall. We are still allowing immigration, we are not showing any prejustice, we are being totally political, and peacefull about this. Like I said, our love of freedom will be our destruction. And I don't mind dying free.

I just hope you realize that most Europeans laugh at your so-called freedom. 'Still allowing immigration'? Hmmm, those Green Cards must be an urban legend then. 'Not showing any prejustice'? I assume you mean that as prejudiced... if so, LMAO. I've never seen any media being more prejudiced than American media, I've never seen a country being more brainwashed by its media than America (with the exception of a couple extremist Islam-countries...)... I think your 'we are being totally political, and peacefull about this'-statement prooves my point. I guess most of you still believe you were being totally political in Vietnam as well, eh? Or that no civilizians were killed in Afganisthan? (Oh, I forgot, Afganisthani are Muslim, fighting is in their blood, they're all 'terrorists'...).

Something else: in the first paragraph of your post, you're talking about the Palestinian conflict. In your conclusion, you are talking about a threat to National Security... The only way the Palestinian conflict might ever threaten your National Security, is because of your meddlesomeness....

You don't mind dying free? 'Almost' sounds as 'I don't mind dying for protecting my freedom'...
Or sounds as 'Willing to kill themselves because what the Islamic Teachers have been raising them for'...
PS: yes, this was a biased post... just trying to 'understand your mind set'

[VictorKaum]

Originally posted here by Negative
Hmmm, Dr Toker... a little biased, don't you think? Living in Houston,talking to ONE Palestinian and a couple of Muslim leaders... immersed??

That's like saying every Canadian hates the Americans after my conversation with ONE Canadian last week (he actually really really hated the Americans...).

Negative: offcourse in pure logic your point is exact and Dr.Toker fails... he made a generalization.
but however somehow the general feeling is that way, that explains why many ppl think it is. This however does not mean that ALL Palestinians are that way.

I still don't understand you Americans' use of that word 'terrorist'... A terrorist is someone who is involved in terror, no? (Latin: terror -oris m. [fright , fear, terror; a frightening object]). Killing 20 people with a tank sounds just as 'terrific' (hence how you guys use that word in two -opposite - meanings) to me as killing 20 people by a suicide-attack... And I really don't understand how someone who is responsible for 152 death penalties can call someone else a terrorist...

Perhaps terror against innocent ppl is more frightening than terror against guilty ppl?

I really think you should differentiate between 'devout' Muslims, and 'extreme' Muslims.

Devout Muslims don't kill other people. Devout Christians don't kill other people. Devout Hindu's don't kill other people.

Extreme Muslims kill other people, as do extreme Christians and extreme Hindu's. Books like the Koran and the Bible are extremely usable for 'extreme' people to justify whatever they want to be justified: they're both full of interpretable quotes...
And the 'extreme' Israeli abuse the Bible just as much as the 'extreme' Palestinians abuse the Koran (and no, not ALL Palestinians are extremists, just like not all Israeli are extremists...).

Yep I agree, in fact 7% of Israeli are ultra orthodox extremists...

[B]
I just hope you realize that most Europeans laugh at your so-called freedom. 'Still allowing immigration'? Hmmm, those Green Cards must be an urban legend then. 'Not showing any prejustice'? I assume you mean that as prejudiced... if so, LMAO. I've never seen any media being more prejudiced than American media, I've never seen a country being more brainwashed by its media than America (with the exception of a couple extremist Islam-countries...)... I think your 'we are being totally political, and peacefull about this'-statement prooves my point. I guess most of you still believe you were being totally political in Vietnam as well, eh? Or that no civilizians were killed in Afganisthan? (Oh, I forgot, Afganisthani are Muslim, fighting is in their blood, they're all 'terrorists'...).

Something else: in the first paragraph of your post, you're talking about the Palestinian conflict. In your conclusion, you are talking about a threat to National Security... The only way the Palestinian conflict might ever threaten your National Security, is because of your meddlesomeness....

You don't mind dying free? 'Almost' sounds as 'I don't mind dying for protecting my freedom'...
Or sounds as 'Willing to kill themselves because what the Islamic Teachers have been raising them for'
PS: yes, this was a biased post... just trying to 'understand your mind set'

To illustrate Negative's point: in the past 30 years violence has decreased with 20%, but the media attention that the violence gets has increased with 250%, well that's objective...