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  1. #31
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    Originally posted here by ammo
    I'm going mad! I'm just about ready to give up...
    Is the text encoded in ascii or just 1-26 alphabet or what?

    Ammo
    hmm...well its not really dependant on ascii code in any way. now after thinking about it its pretty much just 1-26 alphabet+a few chars(space/period are all i included in this, but like i said its easy to include more).
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    Tell me if im wrong, but I don't think there is enough info given to figure this out. There seems to be no correlation to an ASCII value.

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    hmm...well its not really dependant on ascii code in any way. now after thinking about it its pretty much just 1-26 alphabet+a few chars(space/period are all i included in this, but like i said its easy to include more). [/B]
    I would say that it would be pretty much impossible to crack without that info. You should have said that from the beginning.

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    Originally posted here by hurt-conveyor
    I would say that it would be pretty much impossible to crack without that info. You should have said that from the beginning.
    not really...also, just for clarity its not based on like a=1 b=2 ... y=25 z=26. its also not based on ascii codes. now, because it is purely numbers, there is obviously some # to letter corilation, but its not nearly as basic as 1 through 26 or ascii.

    another kinda-hint is that that it is not case-sensitive.

    also, if it were impossible to crack without me giving hints then i would be VERY rich right now cause i would have sold it to some inteligence agency or something.
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    i just found something you guys should prolly know. xmadness' first post with cyphertext and my reply are misleading. his crypt was actually slightly wrong:
    3715217-3-1-2-4
    actually evaluates to "stet".
    "test" is 3715217-2-3-1-4

    sorry, i guess cause i wanted to see a word i saw one *embarrased*

    i have, however now triple checked his "This is a long one." post and it is definatly 100% accurate.

    [edit: added the following]
    i'm gonna post a log of a aim chat i just had with theHurtConveyer, as i think the convo may help others who are trying to break it. it is also what lead to my discovery of the above^

    the HurtConveyor (4:25:05 AM): its tough to break
    the HurtConveyor (4:25:41 AM): let me ask u a question about it
    Jesus SCSU (4:25:46 AM): go for it
    the HurtConveyor (4:26:04 AM): will changing the positions affect the code?
    the HurtConveyor (4:26:16 AM): for example what if the positions were 1-2-3-4
    the HurtConveyor (4:26:23 AM): or if they were 3-1-2-4
    the HurtConveyor (4:26:27 AM): would the code change?
    Jesus SCSU (4:26:38 AM): you mean the first number?
    the HurtConveyor (4:26:43 AM): ya
    Jesus SCSU (4:26:55 AM): nope
    the HurtConveyor (4:27:05 AM): interesting
    the HurtConveyor (4:27:21 AM): this is my thoughts then...
    the HurtConveyor (4:27:35 AM): 3715217-3-1-2-4
    the HurtConveyor (4:27:39 AM): is test
    Jesus SCSU (4:27:42 AM): yep
    the HurtConveyor (4:27:50 AM): so does that mean the first number evaluates to stet?
    Jesus SCSU (4:28:54 AM): no...that means the first number evaluates to:
    estt
    Jesus SCSU (4:29:12 AM): (giving away alot there :-D)
    Jesus SCSU (4:29:19 AM): er
    Jesus SCSU (4:29:21 AM): no
    Jesus SCSU (4:29:23 AM): i'm wrong
    Jesus SCSU (4:29:25 AM): hehe
    Jesus SCSU (4:29:49 AM): methinks something is wrong there
    the HurtConveyor (4:29:57 AM): hmm
    Jesus SCSU (4:30:06 AM): just a sec
    the HurtConveyor (4:30:08 AM): well heres the one u did
    the HurtConveyor (4:30:09 AM): 620344603626-4-1-3-8-5-7-2-6-9
    Jesus SCSU (4:30:12 AM): gonna crunch some numbers
    the HurtConveyor (4:30:20 AM): which should evaluate to abeekmr .
    Jesus SCSU (4:30:42 AM): yea
    Jesus SCSU (4:30:50 AM): i'm sure mine's right :-D
    the HurtConveyor (4:31:34 AM): yea...so if you were to change the latter numbers to 1-2-3-4-5-6-7-8-9 then the first number would have to be completely different
    Jesus SCSU (4:32:31 AM): well if i were to change the latter numbers the output would be "abeekmr ." and there wouldnt be anything i could do about it
    the HurtConveyor (4:32:56 AM): thats what i thought
    Jesus SCSU (4:33:13 AM): the reason the positions are needed is because the first number imply's no position for any particular char.(again, probably giving away alot)
    the HurtConveyor (4:33:53 AM): well i knew that
    the HurtConveyor (4:34:07 AM): cause if it did then it would be like 001002003 or something of the sort
    the HurtConveyor (4:34:12 AM): which could be abc
    Jesus SCSU (4:34:26 AM): heh, yea...and that would be easy to break
    the HurtConveyor (4:34:27 AM): or w/e
    the HurtConveyor (4:34:32 AM): indeed it would
    the HurtConveyor (4:34:37 AM): let me ask u this
    Jesus SCSU (4:34:40 AM): k
    the HurtConveyor (4:34:49 AM): i understand that there is a certain math operation
    the HurtConveyor (4:35:02 AM): could be adding, subtracting in someway or something else
    the HurtConveyor (4:35:30 AM): can i do the required math in my head or with a simple calculator?
    Jesus SCSU (4:36:26 AM): well it could be done in your head, but the bigger the number the harder it gets.
    also, the most basic of calculators will not do what your looking for on its own, but it would help(trying not to give TOO much away here)
    the HurtConveyor (4:38:05 AM): ok
    Jesus SCSU (4:38:22 AM): but(here's a hint) it is one of the things you learn in your k-8 years(atleast i'm pretty sure it was...definatly by freshman year in HS)
    the HurtConveyor (4:39:08 AM): so its probably a basic algebra algorithm
    Jesus SCSU (4:40:13 AM): encryption, yes is extremely basic. decryption is a little harder(i do use a specalty program for now to make it easier)
    Jesus SCSU (4:40:32 AM): its harder because your working with the hole as aposed to all the components, if you get what i'm saying
    the HurtConveyor (4:40:42 AM): indeed i do
    Jesus SCSU (4:42:18 AM): if anybody does figure it out before i am begged into posting the algo, i wouldnt be surprised if they just kinda stumbled on it. have you looked at my "a" "as" "as." answer?
    the HurtConveyor (4:42:36 AM): yea i saw that
    the HurtConveyor (4:43:01 AM): its still complicated
    Jesus SCSU (4:43:07 AM): well you actually get to see a single char crypted there, so that should help ya a little:-)
    the HurtConveyor (4:43:16 AM): i cant find a definate pattern
    the HurtConveyor (4:43:21 AM): yea..
    the HurtConveyor (4:43:31 AM): what is s by itself?
    Jesus SCSU (4:43:53 AM): hehe, this most likely will give it away, so are you sure you wanna see it?
    the HurtConveyor (4:43:58 AM): no
    the HurtConveyor (4:44:00 AM): i dont then
    Jesus SCSU (4:44:06 AM): k
    the HurtConveyor (4:44:19 AM): i must say..this is pretty fun
    the HurtConveyor (4:44:28 AM): it has taken me a while
    Jesus SCSU (4:44:39 AM): yea, i figured atleast a few people would get a kick out of working on it
    the HurtConveyor (4:44:54 AM): i like problem solving like this
    the HurtConveyor (4:46:04 AM): i just found something out i think
    the HurtConveyor (4:46:08 AM): im looking at as
    Jesus SCSU (4:46:14 AM): yea?
    the HurtConveyor (4:46:27 AM): and i see that 3-1 is 2 which is the number of chars
    the HurtConveyor (4:46:32 AM): them added together is 4
    the HurtConveyor (4:46:34 AM): then as.
    the HurtConveyor (4:46:43 AM): 4-1 is 3 the number of chars
    the HurtConveyor (4:47:03 AM): nm it must just be a coincidence
    Jesus SCSU (4:47:12 AM): yea, it is
    the HurtConveyor (4:53:57 AM): could u tell me what as is
    the HurtConveyor (4:54:08 AM): but instead with the latter numbers of 2-1
    Jesus SCSU (4:54:45 AM): you mean if i kept the # and had same#-2-1?
    Jesus SCSU (4:55:07 AM): then it would be sa:-)
    the HurtConveyor (4:55:08 AM): well that would make it sa
    the HurtConveyor (4:55:11 AM): yea
    Jesus SCSU (4:55:11 AM): yea
    the HurtConveyor (4:55:24 AM): so sa is 431-1-2
    Jesus SCSU (4:56:05 AM): no, sa is 134-2-1
    Jesus SCSU (4:56:16 AM): "as"
    134-1-2
    Jesus SCSU (4:56:22 AM): from the forums
    the HurtConveyor (4:56:24 AM): is that the only way u could evaluate it tho?
    Jesus SCSU (4:56:56 AM): if your asking is "as" always 134-1-2, then yes
    the HurtConveyor (4:56:57 AM): u couldnt evaluate it in such a way that you could make the latter numbers 1-2 but change the first number?
    the HurtConveyor (4:57:18 AM): im talking about sa
    Jesus SCSU (4:57:44 AM): nope, sa will always be 134-2-1
    the HurtConveyor (4:58:05 AM): wow
    the HurtConveyor (4:58:10 AM): thats interesting
    Jesus SCSU (4:58:24 AM): yea, i think that xmadness screwed up his first post

    p.s. if for some reason you want me to remove that chat hurt, just let me know and it'll dissapear.
    -8-

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    Hmmm... I've been thinking this over a little, but hadn't been able to give it full thought... It might be similar to what I was attempting to do with my TI-83 calculator, but I'm not sure...

    I wanted to make a chat program for my calculator... My delima was that my calculator could only store numbers (I found out you can store strings, later, though...). I used some math, and was able to get a number, but my program would generally decrypt the letters in the wrong order. For certain words, the order would be fine, but others, it got messy. If it is similar to what I was doing there, then I'd understand why you'd tell about the order with it. I just haven't had time to figure out what values get some operation on to them... My job is away from computers, and requires *lots* of concentration, so I've only had about 30 minutes to browse at this... I think I might know what the values could be, so I'm going to see. It would explain why you need to tell the order, if my guess is correct...

    -Tim_axe

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    I think that without knowing the character table used, it will be pretty near impossible to decipher...

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    Originally posted here by 8*B@LL
    p.s. if for some reason you want me to remove that chat hurt, just let me know and it'll dissapear. [/B]
    Nah man, it's fine

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    No, this is definetly possible.. And sorry about the first post with test.. I thought i had it right, but you can be assured my long one is accurate (i did the math about ten times).

    This is very doable. It involves one of the main principles of mathematics. And no you don't need the table, you already know it.

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    I'm giving up!!! Somebody PM the answer!

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