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  1. #1
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    Apr 2002

    Ending Corporate SPAM


    I have been being bombareded by spam e-mail recently (and hasn't everybody?) by a marketing firm called I-Entry. Their unsubscribe feature of their 'Newsletters' *Cough*Cheap_Advertising*cough* doesn't work. I've tried the unsubscribe three times and ended up getting three times the amount of spam =[

    So I figured I'd do a bit of digging and send someone a dirty letter! This may turn into a tutorial on how to get corporate spammers to take you off their mailing lists - and then again it might end up as a tutorial on how to get a corporate spammer to send you a nice email telling you to f'ck off. Only time will tell =]

    Finding the Culprits

    The whois information shown below was found using the NetCat application by Hobbit, which T1 wrote a first class tutorial on here:

    E:\WINNT>nslookup www.i-entry.com
    Server: ns1.talk-101.com

    Name: www.i-entry.com

    E:\WINNT>nc whois.arin.net 43
    Verio, Inc. (NET-VRIO-161-058)
    8005 South Chester Street
    Englewood, CO 80112

    Netname: VRIO-161-058
    Netblock: -
    Maintainer: VRIO

    Verio, Inc. (VIA4-ORG-ARIN) vipar@verio.net

    Domain System inverse mapping provided by:


    Reassignment information for this block is
    available at rwhois.verio.net port 4321

    Record last updated on 26-Sep-2001.
    Database last updated on 8-Jul-2002 20:01:39 EDT.

    The ARIN Registration Services Host contains ONLY Internet
    Network Information: Networks, ASN's, and related POC's.
    Please use the whois server at rs.internic.net for DOMAIN related
    Information and whois.nic.mil for NIPRNET Information.

    E:\WINNT>nc rwhois.verio.net 4321
    %rwhois V-1.5:0078b6:00 rwhois.verio.net (Vipar 0.1a. Comments to vipar@verio.ne

    network:IP-Network-Block: -
    network:Org-Name:IHoldings.com, Inc
    network:Street-Address:9032 NW 12th Street
    network:Created:2001-10-30 12:18:49+00
    network:Updated:2001-10-30 12:18:49+00

    network:IP-Network-Block: -
    network:Org-Name:Verio Advanced Hosting - Dulles
    network:Street-Address:22451 Shaw Rd
    network:Created:2001-03-28 23:26:30+00
    network:Updated:2001-03-28 23:26:30+00

    Provoking a reaction

    I found an email address on their excuse for a website - I feel a nasty letter is in order

    Hi --

    I have unsubscribed from all of your mailing lists three times (each time waiting the stated three days) and am still receiving unsolicited and unwanted spam email from yourselves to this email address.

    If this does not cease immediately I will be left with no option but to contact MAPS (the Mail Abuse Prevention System - see: http://mail-abuse.org/) and have your IP addresses ( added to RBL (Real Time Black Hole List) list that they maintain. This will block outbound mail relay from your network to any network using the MAPS System.

    I will also be forced to contact your service providers, VERIO, to inform them of your activates, because they too will be reported to MAPS unless they prove that their position to spammers is neither friendly nor neutral (normally by discontinuing the service of the spamming network).

    Hopefully in the last two paragraphs I have my proved my ability to trace your servers and company information and make such a report. I also hope I have convinced you of my sincerity in this matter. I fervently hope that such a report will not be necessary.
    How much of the above I'd get away with, or even be bothered to actually do, is debatable. But hopefully that will provoke a response. I'll keep you all posted as to how this progresses and if I get any response
    \"I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.\"
    Sir Winston Churchill.

  2. #2
    Priapistic Monk KorpDeath's Avatar
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    Dec 2001
    Go get 'em, cowboy! I've done the same, now I'm down to just 3 or 4 spam messages a day.
    Mankind have a great aversion to intellectual labor; but even supposing knowledge to be easily attainable, more people would be content to be ignorant than would take even a little trouble to acquire it.
    - Samuel Johnson

  3. #3
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    May 2002
    Get Spamcop.net
    my ISP has hired them and integrated their reporting system in all customers webbased e-mail,
    now the amount of spam has reduced a lot since and the people responsible are getting tracked down.

  4. #4
    Jaded Network Admin nebulus200's Avatar
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    Jun 2002
    Usually, you can always defualt an email to root or to postmaster....This is pretty good way to unsubscribe because many spammers nowadays only allow you to unsubscribe from that one particular email (which is worthless); however, most email systems, if not all, will have a root or a postmaster and more often than not, that is the sysadmin

    I usually send an email siting the formal U.S. Code (I am pretty sure E.U. has similar laws):

    Sec. 227. Restrictions on use of telephone equipment

    * (a) Definitions
    As used in this section-- * * *
    * (2)
    * The term ``telephone facsimile machine'' means equipment which has the capacity (A) to transcribe text or images, or both, from paper into an electronic signal and to transmit that signal over a regular telephone line, or (B) to transcribe text or images (or both) from an electronic signal received over a regular telephone line onto paper. * * * (4)
    The term ``unsolicited advertisement'' means any material advertising the commercial availability or quality of any property, goods, or services which is transmitted to any person without that person's prior express invitation or permission.
    * (b) Restrictions on use of automated telephone equipment
    * (1)
    It shall be unlawful for any person within the United States -- to use any telephone facsimile machine, computer, or other device to send an unsolicited advertisement to a telephone facsimile machine; * * *
    * (c) to use any telephone facsimile machine, computer, or other device to send an unsolicited advertisement to a telephone facsimile machine; * * *
    * (3)
    Private right of action
    A person or entity may, if otherwise permitted by the laws or rules of court of a State, bring in an appropriate court of that State--
    * (A)
    * an action based on a violation of this subsection or the regulations prescribed under this subsection to enjoin such violation, (B)
    * an action to recover for actual monetary loss from such a violation, or to receive $500 in damages for each such violation, whichever is greater, or (C)
    both such actions. If the court finds that the defendant willfully or knowingly violated this subsection or the regulations prescribed under this subsection, the court may, in its discretion, increase the amount of the award to an amount equal to not more than 3 times the amount available under subparagraph (B) of this paragraph. * * *
    * (e) Effect on State law
    * (1)
    State law not preempted
    Except for the standards prescribed under subsection (d) of this section and subject to paragraph (2) of this subsection, nothing in this section or in the regulations prescribed under this section shall preempt any State law that imposes more restrictive intrastate requirements or regulations on, or which prohibits--
    * (A)
    the use of telephone facsimile machines or other electronic devices to send unsolicited advertisements; * * *

    Basically, you can tell them to stop and that if they don't you will charge them a $500 dollar consulting fee per email after the warning. That in and of itself has usually been enough to have them pull me off of their list. Furthermore, I usually threaten them with a few phone calls to the FBI, a CERT, or other of the many task forces out there. Most people would rather quickly remove you than be reported...

    Thanks for the post, always nice to see different ways of handling things

    There is only one constant, one universal, it is the only real truth: causality. Action. Reaction. Cause and effect...There is no escape from it, we are forever slaves to it. Our only hope, our only peace is to understand it, to understand the 'why'. 'Why' is what separates us from them, you from me. 'Why' is the only real social power, without it you are powerless.

    (Merovingian - Matrix Reloaded)

  5. #5
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    May 2002
    Nebulus, good suggestion, but most of the time it won't do any good.
    People keep using mail relays etc. and most of the time provide a Url to some site instead of a working return addres
    Spamcop is a much easier way and it's free too

  6. #6
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    Jun 2002
    Also, I was under the impression that "unsubscribing" from spam emails just verifies for them that they have a "live" email address. But I agree with the other suggestion of finding their IP address and then cutting them off at the source, the ISP.

  7. #7
    Thanks guys........I registered at Spamcop and copied the spam law for later use....Much appreciation!!

  8. #8
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    Jun 2002
    Did they reply to it yet ntsa? When and if they do let us know by posting their reply please. It'll be interesting to hear.

  9. #9
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    Jul 2002
    Hadoob024 is right. When you reply to their mails you are just letting them know that there is someone checking that account...hence increased mailings because your email goes onto a "Confirmed alive" list. Maybe just ignoring the emails and filtering out mailings based upon the domain name so you don't have to see them might be more effective.

    Also another good point someone made somewhere (can't remember exactly where) is that the reason companies send out junk mail is because it actually works sometimes. Therefore, if you receive a junk mail for something, don't buy the product, especially from the company that sent you the junk mail. I mean if everyone just never bought anything from companies that used junk mail advertising, then they would have to stop using these sales tactics. Saving 30 cents on an ink cartridge probably isn't worth the hassel of having your email filled to capacity with junk...

  10. #10
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    Dec 2001
    It's strange! I never get any type of spam at all! I have in the past.. but I have basicly eliminated it. Once and a while I'll get like one, but that's it.

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