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    Oh boy more restricted rights and freedoms in the name of fighting terrorist. Maybe we could have a daily feature called "guess what freedom you lost today in the semi-democratic police state of (insert country name here)". They say that the possession of viruses will now be illegal. It's my computer and if I want to load tons of viruses on it thatís what Iím going to do. Policing isnít suppose to be easy and thatís why industrial countries have such great police systems because actually put a little work into justifying there actions. Hopefully by 2003 the anti-terrorist zeal will have worn off and this bill wouldnít get passed.
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    By Declan McCullagh
    Staff Writer, CNET News.com
    August 27, 2002, 12:56 PM PT

    WASHINGTON--The Canadian government is considering a proposal that would force Internet providers to rewire their networks for easy surveillance by police and spy agencies.

    A discussion draft released Sunday also contemplates creating a national database of every Canadian with an Internet account, a plan that could sharply curtail the right to be anonymous online.

    The Canadian government, including the Department of Justice and Industry Canada, wrote the 21-page blueprint as a near-final step in a process that seeks to give law enforcement agents more authority to conduct electronic surveillance. A proposed law based on the discussion draft is expected to be introduced in Parliament late this year or in early 2003.

    Arguing that more and more communications take place in electronic form, Canadian officials say such laws are necessary to fight terrorism and combat even run-of-the-mill crimes. They also claim that by enacting these proposals, Canada will be following its obligations under the Council of Europe's cybercrime treaty, which the country is in the process of considering.

    If the discussion draft were to become law, it would outlaw the possession of computer viruses, authorize police to order Internet providers to retain logs of all Web browsing for up to six months, and permit police to obtain a search warrant allowing them to find "hidden electronic and digital devices" that a suspect might be concealing. In most circumstances, a court order would be required for government agents to conduct Internet monitoring.

    Canada and the United States are nonvoting members of the Council of Europe, and representatives from both countries' police agencies have endorsed the controversial cybercrime treaty, which has drawn protests from human rights activists and civil liberties groups. Of nearly 50 participating nations, only Albania has formally adopted, or ratified, the treaty.

    Michael Geist, a professor at the University of Ottawa who specializes in e-commerce law, says that the justification for adopting such sweeping changes to Canadian law seems weak.

    "It seems to me that the main justification they've given for all the changes is that we want to ratify the cybercrime treaty and we need to make changes," Geist said. "To me that's not a particularly convincing argument. If there are new powers needed for law enforcement authority, make that case."

    Geist added that "there's nothing in the document that indicates (new powers) are needed. I don't know that there have been a significant number of cases where police have run into problems."

    Probably the most sweeping change the legal blueprint contemplates is compelling Internet providers and telephone companies to reconfigure their networks to facilitate government eavesdropping and data-retention orders. The United States has a similar requirement, called the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act, but it applies only to pre-Internet telecommunications companies.

    "It is proposed that all service providers (wireless, wireline and Internet) be required to ensure that their systems have the technical capability to provide lawful access to law enforcement and national security agencies," according to the proposal. Companies would be responsible for paying the costs of buying new equipment.

    Sarah Andrews, an analyst at the Electronic Privacy Information Center (EPIC) who specializes in international law, says the proposal goes beyond what the cybercrime treaty specifies. "Their proposal for intercept capability talks about all service providers, not just Internet providers," Andrews said. "The cybercrime treaty deals only with computer data." EPIC opposes the cybercrime treaty, saying it grants too much power to police and does not adequately respect privacy rights.

    Another section of the proposal says the Canadian Association of Chiefs of Police recommends "the establishment of a national database" with personal information about all Canadian Internet users. "The implementation of such a database would presuppose that service providers are compelled to provide accurate and current information," the draft says.

    Gus Hosein, a visiting fellow at the London School of Economics and an activist with Privacy International, calls the database "a dumb idea."

    "Immediately you have to wonder if you're allowed to use anonymous mobile phones or whether you're allowed to connect to the Internet anonymously," Hosein said.

    A representative for George Radwanski, Canada's privacy commissioner, said the office is reviewing the blueprint and does not "have any comments on the paper as it stands."
    Its not software piracy. Iím just making multiple off site backups.

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    Just one more example of politicians wanting the citizen under total control and 24/7 observation. For example; if you live in CA., and you have an electronic tollgate pass, the state is setting up the database to track you wherever you pass an electronic station, with elapsed time, route and all other data. The cost for staffing all those tollgates is atrocious, so it won't be long before everyone has to have an electronic pass to get through. (think not? Just try to get a paycheck that isn't electronically deposited, and that program started as a perk for those of us who didn't want to wait for the mailman!) Now all they have to do is place electronic readers at every intersection, on-and-off-ramp, and state line and they will know where all their citizens (cars) traveled and how fast and where they stopped. Sounds good to me, how about you?.......

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    Scarey.....especially when you look across the border to the "land of the free" and see something like this...

    http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=234106
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    Anyone know where I can find some nice property on another planet? Not anything elaborate, all that it needs to contain is the needs for human survival. You know that our government everyday tells us to go about our business as usual so the terrorists will not be the winners in this "war" ahem... I am beginning to believe they have already won.

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    What a move for the whole freedom of speech thing! Somtimes democracy fails! Sorry to admit it....
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    When I read this yesterday, the one thing that did stick out was the 'possession of computer viruses' issue. I, like many others here I'm sure, use the functionality built in to many virus protection systems which quarantines a virus it detects. I, therefore, would be breaking the law because I am in 'possession of computer viruses'. Who thinks these things up? Who do they talk to before they put pen to paper? It just makes me shake my head.


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    i heard on teh radio the other day that the US is considering issuing a citizen card to the citizens. most likely your US identification number will be your SS, but they may come up with something altogethre. supposedly, these cards will have indentification chips inside that holds your information and you will have to show these cards at certain stops. now get this, the present design of the card has the pyramind with the eye (illuminati?) and across that in big bbold letters, the word "CITIZEN" scary stuff happening these days. aeallison, i'm with you. lets get the private sector working on space travel. NASA needs competition anyway to keep the waste down. i think by the end of our lifetime, we could establish a small colony on a space station now. heck, ever since tito went up on his disneyland tour of the station, they have talked about creating a space hotel for the rich (now that'll fund a few more taxis)
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    Originally posted here by qwerty_smith
    i heard on teh radio the other day that the US is considering issuing a citizen card to the citizens. most likely your US identification number will be your SS, but they may come up with something altogethre. supposedly, these cards will have indentification chips inside that holds your information and you will have to show these cards at certain stops. now get this, the present design of the card has the pyramind with the eye (illuminati?) and across that in big bbold letters, the word "CITIZEN" scary stuff happening these days. aeallison, i'm with you. lets get the private sector working on space travel. NASA needs competition anyway to keep the waste down. i think by the end of our lifetime, we could establish a small colony on a space station now. heck, ever since tito went up on his disneyland tour of the station, they have talked about creating a space hotel for the rich (now that'll fund a few more taxis)
    Sounds like an adventurous idea, but you better own and control (totally independent of whatever government you are bugging-out from) your own resupply lines, medical and whatever else you might need... unless you got some new idea of how to grow food and manufacture equipment and repair parts on whatever planet you bugout to... as well as be able to defend it from somebody with a bigger spaceship running around looking for a place to squat. Then you better hope that when you get to Planet-X and phone home for goodies, your company hasn't been nationalized or whatever during your exit flight..

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    So what are we going to do about it, vote democrat next time? It was a democrat (Clinton) who signed the intelligent transportation act (what the old man is talking about) into affect in the first place. ďTo monitor the internal security of our nationís arteries.Ē This was way before 911. Does anybody think life would be getting better if gore were in office? Democrat || Republican = the same friggen party. This alleged choice we have is nothing but an illusion. Illuminati really might be a more descriptive word for our worldís leaders.
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