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    i aggree with alittlebitnumb happyhacker.org has lots of info on where to start. and as a littlebitnumb said it is all legal so you can practice and practice with like the first part of it then move on to the second part etc. learn it all read it over and over again so you memorize all the most important stuff and when you have finished learning the windows stuff on happhacker start on the unix tutorails on happyhacker. unix if didnt all ready know is the back bone of the internet it is more advanced the windows and a lot more flexible it is all command line like dos you should start trying to proggrame to if you allready havent try a simple language to learn like python www.python.org you can dowload it at that link.when you feel you are getting comfotable proggraming in python *if you start that is* move on to C or C++ remember hacking is illeagal if you get caugh you can face a hefty fine and a prison sentance so if you wanna be a white hat as ppl put them go ahead but it isnt really hacking in to computers all the time it`s more like patching and finding vullnarabilities in systems and networks so if you think it is hacking in to computer`s sorry to have burst your bubble
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    Please excuse my naivette,since there were no PCs when I was in school.....Dont schools teach even basic security,as a matter of course?

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    Dont schools teach even basic security,as a matter of course?
    Frankly, I don't think the schools are teaching much of anything. When I admined a couple of student labs on campus to work my way through school, we hired students from the IT department to monitor the labs. One day I was explaining how I had locked down the file permissions to a senior we had hired, and he had never heard of NTFS. I just about fell off my chair! I couldn't believe the guy was about to graduate from a major university with a degree in computer science and had never heard of NTFS.

    But it's not all the schools' fault. Most of these kids think computer science means setting up a dorm Quake server, anyway.
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    Originally posted here by Bohogg
    Please excuse my naivette,since there were no PCs when I was in school.....Dont schools teach even basic security,as a matter of course?
    Not really. Early computer classes (such as in high school) generally teach basic theories of automation using a high level language such as Visual Basic, BASIC, or Java. Even the first few college level classes in Computer Science dive directly into programming. My university didn't even teach me how to avoid common programming security issues like buffer overflows, etc. Operating systems, artificial intelligence, and advanced algorithms are usually taught after students have an advanced grasp of at least 1 language, and after they have completed 2 basic calculus classes and 1 discrete structures class. Networks, network security, system administration, and encryption are usually part of some kind of minor program or electives -- not part of the main core requirements. As the computer field grows, however, I hope that most universities start to create different "tracks" to focus on like Graphics/Animation, System Administration/Security, Software/Hardware Engineering, etc. Unfortunately, many universities are slipping behind when it comes to updating their curriculum. I'm finding that smaller community colleges are much more adept at evolving their curriculums to reflect the current business needs. They still lack some of the foundation work that a university is good at providing, but they will get your feet wet in the industry much faster than a university would. Wow...long post. I guess I'll call this my $2.00.
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    Good recovery.You might make it on AO after all.If I were you,I'd stay away from the cracking software until you have a better idea of what you're doing.A lot of it can be useful in finding weaknesses in security,but if not used properly that stuff can get you in a world of sh!7 real quick(even if what you did was by accident,do you think your government would care)Governments see "hackers" as a threat no matter what their goals.In their minds if you can hack your next door neighbors computer,you can hack any of their computers or negatively affect international relations by hacking something in another country.
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    You know you don't have to work for a company or even be in security in order to call yourself a hacker.

    Maybe im a bit old school when it comes to the word 'HACKER' but I beleave that the word hacker basicly means a good programer. Its about makeing or fixing things to me. It wasn't intil peaple went on a computer crime sprea that the word 'HACKER' moved into the security area.

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    The Specialist is right that Hacker originally meant someone who was a good programmer or good at tweaking an OS etc. It could be seen as being the first version of Uber and L337 although much less annoying. It has been modified, as so many terms are, into something new. The one problem I have with hacker is that the media has distorted it so that anyone working in security who can "hack" a system is bad. This just isn't true.

    In my own mind I differentiate the two with cracker = bad and hacker = good. This has little effect on the world unfortunately

    One thing I would like to point out is that Liat is from Israel not America. They have not gone so blindly senile when it comes to assessing hackers and crackers. If he succeeds in cracking his neighbors computer he will probably end up in the Mossad not in jail. And if anyone deserves a good crack and trojan horse it would have to be Israel's neighbors and the terrorist organizations they support. I think it would be great for the Mossad, CIA, or FBI to be able to read the PLO's e-mail. Good thing no one did anything stupid like selling them our latest and greatest encryption technology, oh wait, that's right the last administration did.

    I do believe that America's knee jerk reaction to anything hinting of hacking is going to hurt it in the long run. I know that the government believes they can recruit bright people and then use their facilities to train them. However, having worked for the government I also know that the rules, regulations, and procedures that are a natural part of government life tend to wear down most brilliant people into following mundane paths. In the world of computers it is the maverick that often blazes the new trails. Kind of gives you some pride to think that we are more akin to the discoverers and French trappers who opened up America, the programmers are the settlers who come after, work hard and tame the land. But, the bureaucrats are just waiting to screw everything up still
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