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November 14th, 2002, 06:58 PM
#11
Junior Member
I think this got somewhat off topic somewhere along the line.
I understand that YES, Kazaa users usually use it to download copyrighted material, which has been well and truly covered. I mean, EVERYONE has talked about that, I didn't want to cover the same ground already covered a million times...
I just wondered if using a program that uses someone elses network without actually being affiliated with that network, was considered unethical.
It wasn't meant to be related to Law, Or "Hacking" in the sense that you use it, It was merely meant to be an ethical question that related to computing.
Thats why it was in General Chitchat, and not any of the other forums, where it wouldn't make sense...
Raphael spoke, saying Caine, son of Adam, son of Eve, your brother Abel forgives you your sin will you not repent, and accept the mercy of the Almighty?\" And Caine said to Raphael \"Not by Abel`s forgiveness, but mine own, will be forgiven.\"
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November 14th, 2002, 07:02 PM
#12
I thought that any program/package can use any network they please...
what does WinMX run off of?
(edit because of typo...)
yeah, I\'m gonna need that by friday...
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November 14th, 2002, 08:18 PM
#13
Originally posted here by broken_bloom
I think this got somewhat off topic somewhere along the line.
I understand that YES, Kazaa users usually use it to download copyrighted material, which has been well and truly covered. I mean, EVERYONE has talked about that, I didn't want to cover the same ground already covered a million times...
I just wondered if using a program that uses someone elses network without actually being affiliated with that network, was considered unethical.
It wasn't meant to be related to Law, Or "Hacking" in the sense that you use it, It was merely meant to be an ethical question that related to computing.
Thats why it was in General Chitchat, and not any of the other forums, where it wouldn't make sense...
Understood. I was trying to make the point that I wouldn't have any sympathy for Kazaa's network being "used" by others. If, however, there was a P2P network set up by a company for a legitimate purpose, I, personally, would think that the use of that network would be unethical. Just my opinion! :-)
Mike Reilly
bluebeard96@yahoo.com
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November 14th, 2002, 09:06 PM
#14
Hacking has nothing to do with either money, nor making a a name for one's self or company. It has to do with learning and pushing ones own knowledge as far as one can push them self. A hammer is a tool as is a computer just a tool how one uses the tool and with what skill and for what purpose, make things better or distroy, kill or mame. All these things use the same tools. Kazzalite is a non profit p2p program, my son uses it and has burned more music CD's that litter his bedroom floor. This tells me music is disposable to him, unlike me that buys CD's makes a copy for my car and my wife's car like I'd keep original CD's in a car (this is called fair use) My son on the other hand pays for nothing for music the artist makes nothing for his works and it is discarded onto floor such is the value of the art of music. I think not, everyone here if they do not have a job, at one point in life they will and one needs to make a living, be it music, painting, buildings the trades, or program. World we live in costs money and nothing in life is free, if it were then it would not be life as we all must live need food shelter and a means to produce in our choosen area. The web was designed as an open area not unlike a libaray where information is freely exchanged, we pay for book for the library through taxes, the Web was funded by Taxes and now having payed all my taxes for almost 50 years to pay for all of this some dot com wants to turn the entire space from public ownership to private profit. Fact is we have payed for the web being built, and ownership belongs only to people that provide a service or product I want to spend my money on. Free is only for kids think mom or dad have what they do cause they got it for free? Nope they work their butts off to give you a chance of a better life not have their past struggles. Hacking is the quest for knowledge and self improvement and actually making things better, not exploiting just cause one can.
I believe that one of the characteristics of the human race - possibly the one that is primarily responsible for its course of evolution - is that it has grown by creatively responding to failure.- Glen Seaborg
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November 14th, 2002, 09:13 PM
#15
Member
As Zaggy said in an earlier post, the "terms of use" of "K-Lite" states that:
The Site www.k-lite.tk, its Administrators, staff and associates; are in no way
affiliated or connected with the creators of KaZaA Lite, nor the creators of KaZaA
and its owner Sharman Network.
This obviously states that they aren't affiliated with KaZaA in any way shape or form. So any use of the KaZaA network would be unethical. To use the KaZaA network, you accept a EULA before it will ever let you install the KaZaA products. By accepting that agreement, KaZaA grants you access to their network to download and share. While I'm sure that K-Lite also has an agreement along the same lines, it still isn't the agreement posted by KaZaA.
Now, the larger question at hand is....Does KaZaA have any legal recourse to there network being compermised by unapproved individuals and a company that freely distributes a "hacked" version of their software? Correct me if I'm wrong, I don't believe that KaZaA is open source, so more then likely the software is copywrited in way or another. Would this constitute copywrite infringement?
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November 15th, 2002, 04:14 AM
#16
Junior Member
No,i dont think it is stealing because kazaa are not making it clear to the users downloading there programme to the spywear and for the other programmes it installs and the intention to what it actually does i did a scan of my system with AD-AWARE ( http://www.lavasoft.de ) and pestpatrol (http://www,pestpatrol.com ).AD-AWARE found loads of spywear installed throughout my system and pestpatrol found a trojan called KDE or something which said it lets kazaa take control of my computer.It does explain in there license agreement what actually gets installed but its a very long license agreement with small text that most programmes have.What sort of person would read a very long license agrement of small text?
Just my $00.02
~RedAlert
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November 15th, 2002, 04:33 AM
#17
I understand what you're saying and whoheartedly agree that Kazaa's use of spyware/etc, if not disclosed, is unethical. However just because Kazaa's actions may be unethical does not mean you have a right to do whatever you want to their system. Like I said in an earlier post, I'd probably not be too sympathetic towards Kazaa (of any other company that could be acting unethically), but that doesn't mean I can then ethically hack their system.
As for me and my $.02, I've always been taught that two wrongs don't make a right.
(No refunds on that $.02 - I can't afford it!)
Mike Reilly
bluebeard96@yahoo.com
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November 15th, 2002, 07:19 AM
#18
Junior Member
No,i dont think it is stealing because kazaa are not making it clear to the users that are downloading there programme to the spywear it contains and for the other programmes it installs and the intention to what it actually does i did a scan of my system with AD-AWARE ( http://www.lavasoft.de ) and pestpatrol (http://www,pestpatrol.com ).AD-AWARE found loads of spywear installed throughout my system and pestpatrol found a trojan called KDE or something which said it lets kazaa take control of my computer.It does explain in there license agreement what actually gets installed but its a very long license agreement with small text that most programmes have.You should but how many people here read a very long license agrement of small text for every programme they install?
Just my $00.02
~RedAlert
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