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  1. #11
    Senior Member roswell1329's Avatar
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    You could always use ProcMail! You too could have squeaky clean email free from the dingy, scum buildup of spam.
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    Blacklists are unfortunately a necessary evil in the war against spam, but they do offer some benefits. When you are 'blacklisted' as an ISP, you are generally provided notice (even if you aren't, you can generally find out that your mail is going into a black hole from the logs). Frequently, you have the option of contacting the owner of the list and asking why you were blacklisted. They will usually be able to provide you with some documentation, and from there you can seek out the evil spammer on your own network or setup some outgoing mail filters to catch it if they try it again. This is often enough to get you removed from the blacklist, and you are again in good standing with the internet community.

    I look at getting blacklisted like getting a parking ticket. If you get blacklisted, you know you should have been more careful about monitoring your outgoing email (like blocking relaying, monitoring load spikes on your mailserver, etc), and getting blacklisted is an unfriendly reminder to pay more attention in the future. Most ISPs will do anything they can to get off the blacklist and return to good standing, so I don't forsee spam bringing email to a grinding halt. It's just one of those nuisances we all have to learn to deal with.
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  2. #12
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    Whenever a visit a site that wants info and has "special"-offers I just do what the spammers do... So what is it that I do?

    I hand them a load of bullcrap...

    Your name: Stupid idiot
    Phone Number: "phone number to a company that has telemarketers"
    Address: "Go to a site and have the number matched to a address"
    Sex: Maybe later, darlin.

    Blocking messages doesn't seem to help but beleave me IT DOES!
    I got a second account for about a year now and I've yet to recieve hardly any letters except for peaple in my guest book.

  3. #13
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    I think you are blowing it out of all proportion. True, spam is on the increase, but it's still going to be a long time before spam becomes overwhelming.

    Plus also, spam identification software that uses algorithms like this will work increasingly well.

    Spammers continue because companies pay them to send spam. Some are fraudulent like the "Money out of Africa" scam, but most are advertising legitimate products, paid for by the vendors.

    I think that spammers will wake up once spam-blocking becomes more commonplace and internet users become more wary, and start sending less, but better targetted, more relevant spam.

    Ultimately it should prove more useful to both the spammers and the recipients.

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    In related news to Spam, I was reading this article at and found it interesting. Let me know what you think

    NEW YORK (Reuters) - Sick of being inundated with get-rich-quick schemes and Viagra ads in your e-mail? Well, get used to it because, despite concerted efforts to fight it, "spam" is expected to get worse before it gets better, analysts say.

    The average American will get more than 2,200 spam, or unsolicited bulk e-mail, messages this year and 3,600 by 2007, Jupiter Research forecasts.

    "It's getting easier to send spam messages. You can buy a CD-ROM with millions of e-mail addresses for next to nothing and send it out for next to nothing," said Jared Blank, senior analyst at Jupiter.

    Spammers continue to come up with new and ingenious ways to bypass filters by misspelling words, sending e-mails from what appears to be yourself and putting messages in the subject lines that make people think the mail is from a friend.

    Working just as furiously, companies are trying to help consumers and businesses, including some Internet services, to combat spam by coming up with new technologies -- creating a hot new sector -- with players like Brightmail Inc. and programs from McAfee.

    Brightmail, for example, works with companies and Internet service providers to fight spam at the desktop and also offers a product that consumers can run to protect against computer viruses.

    "Spammers are clever people and there is clearly an arms race between spammers and people trying to prevent spam that just constantly escalates," said Forrester analyst Jim Nail. "Having simple lists of spammers and domains -- that's not enough because spammers change domains or addresses to stay ahead."


    Filters that work on a keyword basis to block spam depending on how frequently certain words appear don't work because spammers misspell words or write shorter e-mails so there are not as many occurrences. Blacklists, which only get 10 percent of spam and often get rid of valid e-mails as well, won't work, analysts said.

    "It is worse. Newer tactics include harvesting attacks, which are trying to find out names and addresses of people who live in this enterprise," said Joyce Graff, analyst at Gartner. "It's like a virus game, so if you don't have a lab looking for new ploys -- whatever you implement won't be working for you in six months."

    Brightmail said its recent data shows that spam has gone up from 8 percent of all Internet e-mail to about 40 percent.

    "One of the challenges we find is that spam is global. A lot of it gets routed through unsecure servers," said Enrique Salem, chief executive of Brightmail. "So, as that happens, it's outside of any one country's jurisdiction."

    The industry was collaborating with government agencies around the world to cut down on the problem, he added.

    Analysts said there is hope for some relief in the future as regulators begin to take notice.

    "While spammers are hard to track down and prosecute, you get a few of them and it will scare off others," Nail said.

    Earlier this month, the U.S. Federal Trade Commission sued six junk e-mailers who bombarded Internet users with illegal pyramid schemes, fraudulent loans and e-mail filters that actually attracted spam instead of blocking it.

    While spam is widely viewed as a nuisance, it is not illegal under U.S. laws.
    Seem's interesting nonetheless and sad. This whole spamming thing has gotten out of control, and people need to be more aware of the actions they can take to try to deter the amount of spam they recieve. What interested me most was the quote " The average American will get more than 2,200 spam, or unsolicited bulk e-mail, messages this year and 3,600 by 2007, Jupiter Research forecasts." For some reason, I think it's more than that in a year (or this year) and I think it's going to get more worse than they say. I definitely hope not, but it's the sad truth.
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    i'm not sure about most people but i use yahoo mail and the most spam i have ever gotten in one day is 2. i try not to hand out my e mail address to much.

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