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  1. #1
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    Jon Johansen goes on trial tomorrow

    Yes Jon Johansen goes on trial tomorrow in Norway because he wrote the DeCSS decoder when he was 15. Personel opinion is I dont mind prosecutions but I hate to see people made an example of with retroactive laws.
    see the story here........http://www.islandpacket.com/24hour/t...-4980924c.html
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    Instead of going after this kid they should go after who ever came up with the crappy copy-protection scheme. Guess its easier to blame the creator of the program then the thousands of people who use it.
    Its not software piracy. Iím just making multiple off site backups.

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    How old was he when he was arrested? 15? If so, would not due process become involved if he was made to wait this long for a trial?
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    maybe this is the same story but it reminds me of a story about some company practically telling the hacking world to try to hack into there systems and actually allowed hackers to try their best. but when someone finally got through their system, they procecuted him/her/them.

    how unfair is that??
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    Personally I think that if they arrest this guy then they should arrest the guy who made the VCR. I remember when I was like 5 years old there were peaple walking door to door selling slighly "used" tapes.... free *cough movies *cough. It is legal to copy movies and shows to tapes or rent movies and share them with your friends before you need to bring them back to the store yet now that peaple are losing money peaple finally give a crap about piracy?

    wow its a greedy world, man.

  6. #6
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    Some news from the tiral today

    A Norwegian teenager has denied creating a computer program that allows users to unlock the security codes of DVDs.


    Prosecutor Inger Marie Sunde, in her opening remarks, compared the hacker group to an international crime network "with Jon Johansen and his friends on the Internet from Germany, the Netherlands, England and Russia."


    Johansen's attorney, Halvor Manshaus, said the teen cannot be convicted of breaking into a DVD that he bought and legally owned.

    Johansen, who denies breaking data security laws, said as he arrived at court on Monday: "We are right."

    He says most people believe he is innocent, except "the economic crime police and the film industry."

    Full article here: http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe....ap/index.html
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    List of companies involved in prosecution

    Here is a partial list of companies directly involved in the prosecution of this kid if you feel compelled to boycott there products or send them an e-mail or something.


    Antitrust Division

    Notice Pursuant to the National Cooperative Research and
    Production Act of 1993--DVD Copy Control Association (``DVD CCA'')

    Notice is hereby given that, on October 8, 2002, pursuant to
    Section 6(a) of the National Cooperative Research and Production Act of
    1993, 15 U.S.C. 4301 et seq. (``the Act''), DVD Copy Control
    Association (``DDV CCA'') has filed written notifications
    simultaneously with the Attorney General and the Federal Trade
    Commission disclosing changes in its membership status. The
    notifications were filed for the purpose of extending the Act's
    provisions limiting the recovery of antitrust plaintiffs to actual
    damages under specified circumstances. Specifically, A&R Cambridge
    Limited, Cambridge, England, United Kingdom; Axiom Technologies Mfg Pte
    Ltd., Singapore, Singapore; BBK Electronics Corp., Ltd., Dongguan,
    Guangdong, People's Republic of China; Compal Electronics, Inc., Neihu,
    Taipei, Taiwan; Dongguan Albatronics (Far East) Electronics Co., Ltd.,
    Dongguan, Gaungdong, People's Republic of China; Denon, Ltd., Kawasaki-
    ku, Kawasaki-shi, Kanagawa, Japan; Duplico 2000, S.L., Barcelona,
    Spain; Hyundai Digital Technology Co., Ltd., Seongnam-Si, Kyoungki-do,
    Republic of Korea; Kaleidoscape, Inc., Los Altos, CA; L&M Optical Disc
    West, LLC, Valencia, CA; Marantz Japan, Inc., Sagamihara-shi, Kanagawa,
    Japan, Media Factory Inc., Fremont, CA; MicroPious Co., Ltd., Pyeong
    Taek City, GyeongGi-Do, Republic of Korea; NewSoft Technology
    Corporation, NanKang, Taipei, Taiwan; Optimal Media Production GmbH,
    Muritz, Germany; Ritek Corporation, Hsin-Chu Industrial Park, Taiwan;
    Roxio, Inc., Santa Clara, CA; Shanghai HongSheng (Norcent) Technology
    Co., Ltd., Pudong, Shanghai, People's Republic of China; Shenzhen
    Landel Electronics Technology Co., Ltd., Saige Zone, Shenzhen, People's
    Republic of China; SM Summit Holdings Limited, Singapore, Singapore;
    Societe Nouvelle Arceacem (S.N.A.), Tourouvre, France; Ya Bang
    Industrial Co. Ltd., DongGuan City, Guangdong, People's Republic of
    China; and Yuxing Electronics Company Limited, Xicheng District,
    Beijing, People's Republic of China have been added as parties to this
    Also, Alcorn McBride Inc., Orlando, FL; Applied Research
    Corporation, Taipei Hsien, Taiwan; Concord Disc Manufacturing Corp.,
    Anaheim, CA; Jeong Moon Information Co., Ltd., Kyeongki-Do, Republic of
    Korea; MARGI Systems, Inc., Fremont, CA; MGI Software Corp., Toronto,
    Ontario, Canada; Nakamichi Corporation, Tokyo, Japan; OPT Corporation,
    Naganoken, Japan; Planet Optical Disk Limited FZE, Dubai, United Arab
    Emirates; Shenzhen Paragon Industries (formerly Shenzhen Sangda Baodian
    Co., Ltd.), Shenzhen Guangdong, People's Republic of China; Shunde
    Xiongfeng Electric Industrial Company, Shunde City, Guangdong, People's
    Republic of China; and Tanway Electronic Factory, Guangzhou, People's
    Republic of China have been dropped as parties to this venture.
    No other changes have been made in either the membership or planned
    activity of the group research project. Membership in this group
    research project remains open, and DVD Copy Control Association (``DDV
    CCA'') intends to file additional written notification disclosing all
    changes in membership.
    On April 11, 2001, DVD Copy Control Association (``DDV CCA'') filed
    its original notification pursuant to Section 6(a) of the Act. The
    Department of Justice published a notice in the Federal Register
    pursuant to Section 6(b) of the Act on August 3, 2001 (66 FR 40727).
    The last notification was filed with the Department on July 10,
    2002. A

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    notice was published in the Federal Register pursuant to Section 6(b)
    of the Act on September 4, 2002 (67 FR 56587).

    Constance K. Robinson,
    Director of Operations, Antitrust Division.
    [FR Doc. 02-30792 Filed 12-4-02; 8:45 am]
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    Good news

    "A Norwegian court has acquitted a teenager accused by US entertainment groups of creating tools for hackers.. "

    I'm pleased at this outcome. Hopefully it's smacked all of the mentioned groups up, and made them realise they can't prosecute with a view to making an even larger profit.
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    This is the second case (first was the adobe thing) showing that for the law makeing a tool that COULD be used for evil is not a capital offence..

    Just as well.. else smith and wesson would have a hard time...
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    It all comes down to money in the end.

    its the same with insurance companies. acts of god. if your boat gets struck by lightning and blows up, to stop them having to pay out money, they just say its an act of god. now i for one dont beleive in any religion at all.

    and you wanna know the latest liability, terrorism. we got a letter today from house insurace company, if our house is damaged by acts of terrorism then we arent covered. now, that sounds fair enough, but if our neigbour came over and diliberately smashed a window. by all rights, the insurace company can say, that was terrorism.

    its all a load of crap. like i say, weather its acts of god with insurance companies, or video tape pirateing, it all comes down to money.

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