yeah you are right... kevin and bunni are not the same... altough i don't agree w/ things that have happened to kevin... (he was a perferct scapegoat) but Mr KM is a BS'er I've read his story from more than one perspective, I read his book and the constant 2600 mag's whinning about him and his fate. But the fact remains that KM is not a security guru... he might be considered hacer in loose terms ... yeah right (discover new ways to do things by BS'ing ppl) Fluffi is hacker genius... look at the things he/them has/have done. Kevin can kiss his @$$