August 22nd, 2002, 08:31 PM
Need advice for IT education
I'm considering bachelor program in Information Technology. It's an attempt to improve computer skills and knowledge, as I predict the future for IT degreed persons is good. However, without computer science education, I wonder if my hands-on experience in Windows environment is sufficient. Does anyone have helpful tips as to whether or not accredited program for bachelor and masters in IT is a good idea; for individual in late 50s, anticipating that I will be living another 30 years, I believe it's better option to remain independent in the future.
August 22nd, 2002, 08:43 PM
I've come to find out that a degree is just a piece of paper that will allow you to make more money, and will make you more marketable in the IT field. As far as actual education goes, that will vary on your current level of expertise. Going the college route can take some time. There are certifications you can get that will also increase your marketablility, and will teach you quite a bit.
From some presonal experience...I've been in the IT field for about 4 years now, and only have my associates degree. Not having a bachelor's degree will no doubt hamper my progress within the IT field. That's why I'm going back to college to finish.
My advice? If you're serious about working in IT, then get your bachelor's degree, and get some certifications.
August 22nd, 2002, 10:24 PM
I think it also depends on how far you want to go in the field. I have been doing IT for 25 years (yah a long time). I do not have a degree and am currently in middle management. I have not had any problems to this point but I can forsee that if I want to proceed any higher in management it might be a problem.
Work... Some days it's just not worth chewing through the restraints...
August 22nd, 2002, 11:37 PM
I completed a Bachelor of Computing a few years ago, and found that a degree is simply a piece of paper that gives you a competitive advantage over other candidates going for a job. My course briefly dabbled in security, but the security side of the subjects was mainly focused on encryption and looked at security from a very high level, likewise with networking.
2 years ago I got a job with a company in the Network Security field, and found that I learnt more in 3 months than I did at University for 4 years.
I suppose that what I am saying is that, my opinion about Tertiary eductaion is that doesnt necessarily give you the skills required for a job in IT, but it increases your chances of getting your desired IT job. Once you start you job, your skill set really starts to kick off.
I suppose what I am trying to say is that maybe people shouldnt that that completing a University degree will give you the necessary skill set for your choice of employement, it simply looks good on the resume, and in todays world, employers expect such qualifications (even though they dont understand them)
Good luck with whatever path you choose.
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August 23rd, 2002, 05:06 AM
Its been my experience that the people with the degrees make more money. If you get a chance, do an internship somewhere and get free experience. One last thing that other members may disagree with me about is, don't waste your money on getting your MCSE. I've seen a lot of companies higher these guys and quickly fire them because they can't perform.
April 16th, 2003, 05:48 AM
Well hopefully I am not giving my age away me'ah but I will tell you a few things from my experience in the corporate world:
Degrees: I hate to say this, but even though I have traveled around parts of the world, I can't be sure if Bachelor's degrees here in the US are equivalent to other 4year degrees across the globe. In short - get your Bachelor's. If you are in IT, it may be obvious to target a complete IT degree, but also make sure you have project management and 'soft' or people skill type classes in the mix. Second - if your brain can take it - go for your Master's. Again - if you can handle it, get the Bachelor's and dove-tail right into the Master's. Hell - you have the rest of your life to sleep - right?
Certifications: I can tell you this, I work for/with/on/in a F500 company and certifications for IT are alright, but not the end-all be-all and I am in central IT. If you are going to go for certification, I would suggest the CCNA, CISSP, and even though you're degree may have it, get certification in Java and C++. As this is my 'weakest area' this is what I will be targetting after my Master's. Because I love education I may also pursue project management certification.
OJT: as others have stated here, the education is very important, and just as important is getting the experience in your field(s) whereever possible.
Anywho my 52 cents worth.
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April 16th, 2003, 02:41 PM
contect IIIT hyderabad or IIT's in india they have some seats reserved for foreigners they are wordl class institutes and not too costly
April 16th, 2003, 02:57 PM
My experience has always supported this. The government spent 9 months teaching me to do my job before deploying me to my base when I was in the military. I learned more doing on-the-job training in a month than I did the whole 9 months of school.
2 years ago I got a job with a company in the Network Security field, and found that I learnt more in 3 months than I did at University for 4 years
Classroom learning is almost always theory. It helps and its nice to know the theory, but I think most people learn a lot more and a lot faster making mistakes and actually doing the stuff and seeing it firsthand.
I think the key to this statement is that they couldn't perform. I agree that you should not pursue an MCSE in a vacuum where you just study books and cram for tests. If you can't actually DO the stuff you're certified for you will be found out and fired. But, if you can actually perform, the MCSE may open some otherwise closed doors.
One last thing that other members may disagree with me about is, don't waste your money on getting your MCSE. I've seen a lot of companies higher these guys and quickly fire them because they can't perform.
I agree with this statement. But, I think that you can get in the field and work your way through for 5 to 10 years depending on your career path and possibly up to middle management before it becomes an issue. I think you can get a certification or two and an entry-level IT job and start your OJT and earn your experience. You can take a class here and there on the side over the next 5 to 10 years and by the time you hit the ceiling where the bachelors degree is "necessary" you will also have that many years of actual experience to go with it.
Its been my experience that the people with the degrees make more money
April 16th, 2003, 03:08 PM
There are plenty of people that have had successful careers without university IT qualifications. But of course there are also plenty with them. I think you need to consider the area within IT that you would like to work and what skills are needed and typically what employers are looking for. A bachelors degree is a significant investment in time and money and you may learn more skills in a similar timeframe with a lesser qualification and on the job experience. Again it depends on the area you are interested.
Personally I submajored in Computer Science in my undergraduate degree and after a period of work condinued on to do a Master of Information Technology. In the current gloomy IT job market I haven't found them to be that great a benefit. In fact from my Masters course the majority weren't working in IT 6 months after graduation. More people have subsequently found IT jobs (graduated mid 2001) but a computer degree will not be a garuntee to a good tech job.
Good luck with whatever you choose. I hope you get everything you want from it.
April 16th, 2003, 03:46 PM
I'll take a well certified, experienced tech any time over someone with a degree. Just my 2 cents