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    Post virtually everyone is a computer criminal

    Are we all ready to go to prison now?
    I just found this article and thought to post it here.

    Forgive Me My Trespasses
    By Mark Rasch Sep 08 2003
    How a recent federal appeals court decision makes virtually everyone a
    computer criminal. http://www.securityfocus.com/columnists/183

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    Moreover, it represents a trend to use concepts as "trespass" and "unauthorized use" to criminalize things like sending e-mail to people who don't want it, viewing competitor's public information and Web pages, and even using a work computer for personal purposes
    Were going to have to start calling people for permission to email them before we email them

    Linking to someone's website without permission is likewise a trespass
    Attempt to lower traffic to people's sites?

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    This is laughable because then the average joe will have no desire to learn about computers or any new technology. Which makes programmers etc even harder to come by. And the people who commit real cyber crimes (Not just remote linking) will go out and retaliate, and no one will know what to do except whine on CNN and blame it on some random virus, because it couldnt be retaliation from their completely power hungry laws. Bitter party of 1.
    Release a bomb filled with Ritalin and Pharmacy death. Keep the rich above in the hills where the impact will not reach them. Then go for the ironic statement and call it a cure for pollution.

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    The article, Forgive Us Our Trespasses, is about a recently-released opinion from the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals. Here is a link to that opinion-


    This Ninth Circus opinion warns what happens when someone abuses the subpoena power.
    I just don't see where it makes virtually everyone a computer criminal, as the writer of the article would have us believe.

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    That is a bunch of bullsh!t
    You can now go to jail for computer crime even if you never touch a computer, and know nothing about computers
    If they started arresting people that know nothing about computers or even used one. alot of people are going to raise hell because how can you commit a computer crime if you don't have any knowledge of how it works.

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    I will say that lawmakers are bunch of idiots.

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    You gotta be ****ing kidding me. Get the **** out of my face with that bullshit.
    If you are a fellow AOer I apologize if I offended. If you are a member of a cooperation, Bar of any state, or happen to agree with this. If you are offended, GOOD. **** you.

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    This is yet another case of the legal profession trying to gain access to more information that is necessary. A.k.a. we don't know exactly what we are looking for, so let's shotgun approach and look for the damning evidence. Also, it is a case of those who are subpoened not performing due dilligence. We all know that nothing on the net is truly private, however, we pay ISP's for service and expect some measure of protection.
    Those who speak of what they know... find out too late that prudent si-lence was wise.
    --Madame Giry, Phantom of the Opera

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    Originally posted here by Nimh
    . Also, it is a case of those who are subpoened not performing due dilligence.
    It looks like the ISP folks didn't even hire a lawyer to defend them.

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    This also shows that we don't need a bunch of new laws against "cyber"
    crimes, just common sense application of existing ones. If the info
    those lawyers were seeking was on hard copy in a metal filing cabinet,
    the issue would be the same.

    You can't punish the lawyer for "demanding" to see all your private
    info, you just fight him in the normal way, like the author suggested.

    But these new untested laws are ripe for misinterpretation and
    misapplication. God save us from new laws.

    As for all the other lunacy, there are already fools who think it is
    a "crime" to link to their sites.


    Apparently they don't understand that without linking,
    there would be no world wide web.

    As for spam, we all love to hate it, but if you outlaw unsolicited email
    you would be afraid to email family members you had feuded
    with, for fear they would sue you for spamming and stalking.
    I came in to the world with nothing. I still have most of it.

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