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    Windows on ATM machines??

    Yup....it looks like the banking industry has gone off the deep end...

    Within three years, most bank machines that dispense cash will run on the Windows operating system, according to a study published last week.

    By 2005, 65 percent of bank ATMs (not including free-standing machines in places like convenience stores and casinos) in the United States will use a stripped-down version of Windows. About 12 percent of the machines will use the operating system by the end of this year, according to Gwenn Bezard, an analyst at market researcher Celent.
    "Because we are seeing so many mergers and acquisitions in the last few years, you have large banks running a fleet of ATM hardware," Bezard said. "With open technologies it is easier to run different types of hardware on the same software."
    OPEN TECHNOLOGIES??? What planet is this guy from? Windows is DEFINITELY not an open technology, except from a security standpoint. Which brings me to my next point...

    "What Microsoft actually sells to the banks for ATM use is a cut-down version of Windows that doesn't contain things like Web servers," said Ross Anderson, a researcher in Cambridge, England, and author of Security Engineering. "They have tried to cut out the unnecessary rubbish that clutters up the typical PC. How good a job they've done, I just don't know.... So we definitely can't rule out the possibility that someone in the future writes a Slammer-style worm that causes thousands of ATMs to start spewing out cash."
    This is starting to scare me...

    "When you think about an ATM machine, it is basically a vault," Schneier said. "There is inherent security there."
    Yeah...and they're going to make Windows the combination lock to that vault. I'm going to Walmart to buy a bunch of Mason Jars and start banking the way my grandparents did....all I need is a shovel and a decent sized backyard.

    Original article found here.
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    yeah i agree.

    Even though i just put my money into my SAFE in my bedroom, i think that if microsoft do end up doing this, there's allway going to be a risk that someone's gonna invent some virus and trash the sytem...

    God if you can control a PC with little knowledge, then how easy will it be to control an ATM?

    Or just do what some idiots do, get a chain, and tie that chain around the ATM connect the other end of the chain to your UTE, and FLAW the BABy.
    And don't stop till you get to MEXICO!!!
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    Hey a lot of companies allready are running windows, most notably BoA. I think the aritcal is missleading though, emmbeded Linux is makeing hugh inroads into the ATM feild, a lot of systmes run a java based front end, I doubt they will want to replace that.
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    Can't wait for when I'm standing there waiting for my money to pop out, and damn thing freezes!

    will there be a reboot button?

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    a good majority of atm that are made by diebold already use a stripped down version of NT. As for writting a virus to make these machines spit out money it is possable but not probable. if someone was to write such a virus it would most likely be pretty easy to trace due to the limited number of people who have access to the service ports on the back of the atm.
    chown -r us ./bases

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    Hate to tell you guys this, but almost every ATM I have seen that was built in the last few years is Windows. Remember the slammer worm taking out ATM machines all over?
    Of course that was server/data center related but you never know, however here is the catch...


    ATMs are not connected to the internet. They are connected via direct DDS lines to a mainframe data center type of thing. Then on top of that they use proprietary modems with hardware encryption. The transactions are not real time, they are batched and then applied later in the day with a maximum amount dispensed. Sure they get hacked but most succesful hacks are a result of social engineering. You NEVER know who owns that little ATM kiosk in the mall, do ya?

    Hint, most likely NOT the bank.

    Oh and did you all know that CISCO IDS blade sendors are also windows NT... now THATS scary.
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    Can't wait for when I'm standing there waiting for my money to pop out, and damn thing freezes!

    will there be a reboot button?
    and when you reboot what do you get?? BSOD of course :-D

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    Interesting comments. I hadn't heard they are changing OS.
    Most of the ABM's we work on still run OS/2.

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    NT self-serve grocery check-out too

    Don't know about you, but where I am the grocery stores have self-checkout. All the machines run NT and about once a week I see one stuck somewhere in the reboot cycle. Not exactly the confidence builder I need to trust my ATM to NT.

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    OS/2 is on life suport at IBM, they recently informed all of their customers of os/2 (mostly banks) that it was going to no longer be supported. They sugested every one transition over to Linux but some ATM makers and banks (notably BoA) went with windows.

    Yes all ATM's should be useing the prepritory banking network, unfortunatly some go cheap and use internet connections to VPN to a central location to get onto the banking network (this is bad for a number of reasons, not the least of which is opening a hole in what should be a closed network.). this is a very bad practice that is allowed do to recnet deregulation of the banking industry...any guess who is the largest bank useingthe internet to transfer banking transactions....thats right BoA, interestingly they are the major bank who lost atn conectivity due ot slammer. My sugestion, if you want to keep your money safe stay away from the bank of america
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