Has anyone ever gotten some malware on thier system that even an updated version of norton(or equivalent) couldn't detect? Then have they had to kill it the old fashioned way? This recently happened to me with a program called "biko". I opened it and nothing happened, meaning something was up. So I scanned it with ad-aware and Norton AV, but to no avail. So I tried to delete it but it was being used by wiondoze. Then I killed its process and wiped it over 7 times with random data. Suffice it to say, it was gone. (I also searched for it in Regedit. and deleted all of its entries.) Anyone else have some virus hunter stories to share?