November 13th, 2003, 10:01 AM
Has anyone used the following device.Is there any security drawback ?How would one fool this device ? I remember reading an article where someone used superglue fumes to create a copy of finger print.
Your fingerprint is your password !
Biometrics - the identification of individuals using biological traits, such as those based on retinal or iris scanning, fingerprints, or face recognition.
This is an emerging technology that is increasingly being used for information and computer security. We also think it just happens to be pretty darn cool.
The Biometric Mouse is an optical corded mouse with USB connection and a built-in fingerprint authentication system. It conveniently enables secure computer logon, file/folder access and screensaver via biometric authentication. It can support multiple users and fast scan fingerprint imaging sensor. The biometric authentication can help to eliminate the need for multiple passwords that must be written down or memorized, thus improving the overall level of security.
November 13th, 2003, 10:02 AM
Interesting... wonder how long before someone uses jello on that one to break the biometric feature.
November 13th, 2003, 10:16 AM
Interesting concept. The thing I don't like about fingerprint authentication is that in theory it would be
pretty easy to subvert. We human beings leave our fingerprints on everything we touch; making this
just another potential security catch-up game. Also, I wonder if the cracker couldn't just walk up and
plug in their own mouse and have use of the computer. And as MsMittens suggested, I wonder how
long it would take users to do something unexpected that would undo all the magic security-fu that
a system like this is supposed to provide.
As I said though, interesting concept.
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November 13th, 2003, 10:49 AM
We took a look at these a few months ago to implement as a company wide policy.
Putting our heads together, we decided that until there was a finger print mechanism, good enough to sense heat and blood-flow, that we wouldn't invest. Like Spurious stated, we leave our fingerprints everywhere, I for one wouldn't want to be the one that gets their fingerprint hijacked off of a coffee cup, and then replicated by some means to get access into a critical system.
If you really want security, an embedded chip in your skin would probably be better, or a retinal scanner. Depends on the company though, or need of security, some people need to go to these extremes for sensitive data.
Creating further mindless stupidity....through mindless automation.
November 13th, 2003, 10:50 AM
Biometrics scares the hell out of me. It's like 1984 come to life. So far all the technology is innocent, but where's the line supposed to be drawn? When does it go from "security" to "Big Brother"?? I don't want my fingerprints, retinal patterns, or anything else floating around out there. Anyone remember when Social Security first came out, and there was a huge fear of the SS number being used to catalogue us? Well look what happened. I guess I'm just being paranoid. I'm going to change directions now...
The concept is pretty cool though. It would be nice to be able to do nothing more than have my fingerprint scanned and used as authentication for electronic resources. My only quarrel with the fingerprint system, as has been mentioned already,is the fact that fingerprint ID's are too easy to forge. If there were a cost-effective way to do retinal scans for authentication purposes, it would in the end probably help make systems more secure. Security ignorant people would no longer be able to jeapordize network security by using weak passwords. Plus how do you "social engineer" someone's retina?
I think I'm going to get one of those, just to try it out. My secret porn stash will only be accessable through biometric ID. LOL. $100 is well worth it to keep my sort of girlfriend out of my stuff.
Real security doesn't come with an installer.
November 13th, 2003, 10:50 AM
One problem, what happones if say you cut your finger and you ended up with a big scare on it...
that effectivly changeres your finger print. so then what are you ment to do??
stand there and rant at your computer [rant] ITS ME YOU FOOL LET ME IN, I CUT MY GOD DAM FINGER, NOW LET ME IN.... [/rant] ()just a clean example...()
November 13th, 2003, 11:04 AM
Usually, biometrics is used with another form of authentication and you can (usually) use more than one finger (have 2-3 in place). Biometrics is interesting but ladened with all sorts of problems (false positives and false negatives) that interfere with it's ability to identify. And accuracy is an issue with these devices.
disc0rd, chip idea is interesting but that too comes with it's own problems: privacy issues (Big Brother concept) and ability of the chip to be modified/copied.
No technology should be the "be-all-end-all" of security but rather simply a tool we use with other tools to achieve security.
November 13th, 2003, 11:06 AM
This has been a current issue at AO comming round prolly every 6 months
not nessecarilly the mouse but biometric security, eg, finger scanners etc.
If you do a forum search i think you might come up with a few things, but most AOers just shoot them down as easy to break (unless you pay top quality... but why would you??) and a waste of money.. not even worth the effort stick to the old 40 Digit password
November 13th, 2003, 11:11 AM
will my 52 digit password do...
hehe the other day my SDD teacher made up an account for me to use the computers, with in doing that he made me an admin... (silly man... :P)
any how i had to put in my password, and it was like 30 didgets long... lol
he asked me if i thought it was long enuf, my reply was no, it can never be long enuf. i then decided to errese that one and put anuther one in, just as he walked away. Just incase he saw what my old one was.
and thay say that thay keep there computers secure... yah ok 5 digit passwords are shoure to do it, just wright your daughters name backwards, that will keep them all stumped... :P
well for about .3 seconds..
November 13th, 2003, 11:17 AM
mm, well, i used to have a 10 digit password that consisted only of number (no repeats and no 'order' either numerical or patternal on the keyboard) but got tired of it as people kept trying to guess it.. and with my high speed typing it was too funny to watch them guess which keys i press :P
i know resided with a 14 digit password, and im not devulging wether it is alpha-numerical or biased in either
one flaw with my current password is that it isnt random letters, rather .. well, i cant tell you that either :P lol