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December 30th, 2003, 05:33 AM
#11
Originally posted here by Striek
Stop blaming this on your government or your feed factories or the food supply or the poor or the rich or the coloured. **** HAPPENS! Get over it. Sure, the government can spend more on meat inspections, but what are you willing to sacrifice to get it? A 20% increase in the price of beef perhaps? That would be essentially pointless when your chance of infections is near zero. The money would be far better spent on health care where it would save far more lives. You have nothing to worry about anyway. If our meat is safe, so is yours.
- i pay taxes so the goverment can regulate and assure that the food i consume is safe, that is their responsibility.
-20% ,you pulled that number out of your ass it means nothing (testing is relativly cheap on a large scale)
-the money spent on healthcare ,keeping cjd victims in hospital ,it is 100% fatal.
-the us still slaughters and serves downers (sick animals) industry pressure on politician has kept it that way.
-diseases that have a long incubation period are something to be very concerned about, as determining cause can be very hard. Especially when something as common as beef is concerned.
yeahh don't worry :
Currently four million Americans are diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease. The percentage of cases is on the rise with solid research showing that there are about 360,000 individuals newly diagnosed each year.
At Yale University and the Penn State University at Pittsburgh, researchers recently studied the brains of people who died of Alzheimer's disease (46 in the Yale case and 54 in the Pittsburgh study). Surprisingly, the autopsies respectively showed that 13 percent and five percent of the dead were actually CJD cases misdiagnosed as Alzheimer's disease.
In a third (smaller) study published in the Journal of Psychiatry and Neuroscience (1995), investigators reported that three out of 12 patients diagnosed with Alzheimer's disease were found to have had CJD when autopsied. It should be noted CJD symptoms may be remarkably similar to those of Alzheimer's disease.
There are no accurate figures for the total number of U.S. Alzheimer's deaths each year, simply because it doesn't usually get reported as the cause of death. The Center for Disease Control (CDC) reported only 22,725 Alzheimer's deaths in 1998. However, a spokesperson for the National Alzheimer's Association, in a recent interview, agreed that the actual number could easily be 100,000, or even has high as 400,000 per year. Because Alzheimer's patients usually die within 8 to 10 years, she agreed that the CDC numbers must be grossly understated. If new research supports that approximately 10 percent of all Alzheimer's disease related deaths are in fact misdiagnosed CJD cases, then 10,000 to 40,000 CJD deaths will suddenly appear in America each year. That would be an epidemic.
http://www.parkc.org/Madcow_veggies.html
believe the goverment
More Deadly Lies - Did USDA
Even Test 20,000 Cattle?
USDA Refuses To Release Mad Cow Test Records
By Steve Mitchell
United Press International
12-24-03
WASHINGTON (UPI) -- Although the United States Department of Agriculture insisted the U.S. beef supply is safe Tuesday after announcing the first documented case of mad cow disease in the United States, the agency for six months repeatedly refused to release its tests for mad cow to United Press International.
The USDA claims to have tested approximately 20,000 cows for the disease in 2002 and 2003, but has been unable to provide any documentation in support of this to UPI, which first requested the information in July.
In addition, former USDA veterinarians tell UPI they have long suspected the disease was in U.S herds and there are probably additional infected animals.
USDA Secretary Ann M. Veneman announced late Tuesday during a hastily scheduled news briefing that a cow slaughtered Dec. 9 on a farm in Mabton, Wash., had tested positive for mad cow disease. The farm has been quarantined but the meat from the animal may have already passed into the human food supply.
The slaughtered meat was sent for processing to Midway Meats in Washington and the USDA is currently trying to trace if the meat went for human consumption, Veneman said.
The fear is mad cow disease can infect humans and cause a brain-wasting condition known as variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease that is always fatal. More than 100 people contracted this disease in the United Kingdom after a widespread outbreak of mad cow disease in that country in the 1980s.
An outbreak of mad cow disease in the United States has the potential to dwarf the situation in the United Kingdom because the American beef industry is far larger and U.S. beef is exported to countries all over the globe.
"We're talking about billions of people" around the world who potentially have been exposed to U.S. beef, Lester Friedlander, a former USDA veterinarian who has been insisting mad cow is present in American herds for years, told UPI.
The USDA insisted the case is probably isolated and the US beef supply is safe. "I plan to serve beef for my Christmas dinner," Veneman said, "and we remain confident in the safety of our food supply."
Responded Friedlander: "She might as well kiss her (behind) goodbye, then."
Veneman went on to say she had confidence in the USDA surveillance system for detecting mad cow and protecting the public, noting the agency has tested more than 20,000 cattle for the disease this year.
This represents only a small percentage of the millions of cows in the U.S. herd, however, and experts say current procedures are unlikely to detect mad cow.
The Washington cow was tested because it was a so-called downer cow -- a cow unable to stand on its own -- which is a sign of mad cow disease. However, the United States sees approximately 200,000 of these per year or about 10 times as many animals are tested for the disease.
USDA officials told UPI as recently as Dec. 17 the agency still is searching for documentation of its mad cow testing results from 2002 and 2003.
UPI initially requested the documents on July 10, and the agency sent a response letter dated July 24, saying it had launched a search for any documents pertaining to mad cow tests from 2002 and 2003.
"If any documents exist, they will be forwarded," USDA official Michael Marquis wrote in the letter.
Despite this and a 30-day limit under the Freedom of Information Act on responding to such a request, the USDA never sent any corresponding documents. The agency's FOI office also did not return several calls from UPI placed over a series of months.
Finally, UPI threatened legal action in early December if the agency did not respond.
In a Dec. 17 letter to UPI from USDA Freedom of Information Act Office Andrea E. Fowler, the agency wrote: "Your request has been forwarded to the (Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service) for processing and to search for the record responsive to your earlier request."
To date, the USDA has not said if any records exist or if they will be sent to UPI.
"It's always concerned me that they haven't used the same rapid testing technique that's used in Europe," where mad cow has been detected in several additional countries outside of the United Kingdom, Michael Schwochert, a retired USDA veterinarian in Ft. Morgan, Colo., told UPI.
"It was almost like they didn't want to find mad cow disease," Schwochert said.
He noted he had been informed that approximately six months ago a cow displaying symptoms suggestive of mad cow disease showed up at the X-cel slaughtering plant in Ft. Morgan.
Once cows are unloaded off the truck they are required to be inspected by USDA veterinarians. However, the cow was spotted by plant employees before USDA officials saw it and "it went back out on a special truck and they called the guys in the office and said don't say anything about this," Schwochert said.
Veneman said the Washington case "does not pose any kind of significant risk to the human food chain."
Friedlander called that assessment, aptly enough, "B.S." Referring to the USDA's failure to provide their testing documentation to UPI, he said, "The government doesn't have records to substantiate their testing so how do they know whether this is an isolated case." The agency also cannot provide any assurance that this animal did not get processed for human consumption, he said.
Schwochert agreed with that, saying the USDA's sparse testing means they cannot say with any confidence whether there are additional cases or not.
Both Schwochert and Friedlander said the report of a mad cow case would devastate the U.S. beef industry.
"It scares the hell out of me what it's going to do to the cattle industry," Schwochert said. "This could be catastrophic."
Only hours after Veneman's announcement, Japan -- the biggest importer of U.S. beef -- and South Korea both banned the importation of American meat.
The American Meat Institute, a trade group in Arlington, Va., representing the U.S. meat and poultry industry, maintained the U.S. beef supply is safe for human consumption.
"First and foremost, the U.S. beef supply is safe," AMI spokesman Dan Murphy told UPI. "We think its safe for U.S. consumers to eat."
This is because infectious prions, thought to be the causative agent of mad cow and vCJD, are not found in muscle tissue that comprises hamburgers and steaks, he said. They are generally located in brain and spinal cord tissue.
However, recent studies have suggested prions may occur, albeit in smaller numbers, in muscle tissue, and bits of brain and spinal cord tissue have been detected in hamburger meat.
Other protective measures have also been put in place that should protect consumers, Murphy said.
Mad cow disease is thought to be spread by feeding infected cow tissue back to cattle -- a practice that was common in the United Kingdom and is thought to have contributed to their widespread outbreak. The practice has been banned in the United States by the Food and Drug Administration since 1997, which should help ensure this is "an isolated case," Murphy said.
A report from the General Accounting Office issued just last year, however, found some ranchers in the United States still violate the feed ban and do feed cow tissue to cattle.
The GAO concluded: "While (mad cow disease) has not been found in the United States, federal actions do not sufficiently ensure that all (mad cow)-infected animals or products are kept out or that if (mad cow) were found, it would be detected promptly and not spread to other cattle through animal feed or enter the human food supply."
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
The international ban against torturing prisoners of war does not necessarily apply to suspects detained in America\'s war on terror, Attorney General John Ashcroft told a Senate oversight committee
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December 30th, 2003, 05:49 AM
#12
How many cows have even been found infected in the US?
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December 30th, 2003, 12:05 PM
#13
On of the major points i am making is if you are not looking for it you will not find it. There are 100 million cows in the usa if only downers were tested it would take 10Xs as much testing.
Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
The international ban against torturing prisoners of war does not necessarily apply to suspects detained in America\'s war on terror, Attorney General John Ashcroft told a Senate oversight committee
-- true colors revealed, a brown shirt and jackboots
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December 30th, 2003, 01:30 PM
#14
It's o.k I can't be infected with Mad cow disease as I am a helicopter.
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December 30th, 2003, 03:52 PM
#15
Let's remember that scientists are still not "positive" about how this disease is transmitted. So instead of griping about how the problem, try puting forth some solutions that will work and still be affordable. Personally, I do not want to pay $20 a pound for ground beef. And to "stop eating beef" is not a solution, unless you are a Hindu or an up and coming vegetarian that is. You take a much greater risk driving to work every day than you do by eating a hamburger.
The mentally handicaped are persecuted in this great country, and I say rightfully so! These people are NUTS!!!!
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December 30th, 2003, 04:12 PM
#16
Originally posted here by nihil
If you like your steak "blue", "extra rare" or any of these kiche fashionable things.......you get what you deserve?
Wankers!
A 9mil black claw or Glaser .38 safety round to the back of the head is what you really need?
And merry christmas to you too!
I enjoy my fillet steak rare - I'll take the risk of CJD & other disease.
Steve
IT, e-commerce, Retail, Programme & Project Management, EPoS, Supply Chain and Logistic Services. Yorkshire. http://www.bigi.uk.com
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December 30th, 2003, 04:24 PM
#17
Me to steve and I am thoroughly looking forward to my first tape worm.
I read up on these and fail to see any negative side effects they cause. They are just like a sembiant for fat folk.
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December 30th, 2003, 04:42 PM
#18
FACT is - you stand a better chance of dying from the flu or a common cold. In fact you also stand a better chance of dying on the way home in a car accident, A MUCH better chance. Hmmm come to think of it one may also have a better chance at getting lung cancer from the local bar second hand smoke. Dozens of people have died this single winter in my state from the FLU. How many will contract mad cows disease? None... but a minority will FORCE the government to make rash decisions as usual. It's just another band wagon to feed a few personalities who love this stuff.
Striek is right, **** does happen. I don't see an issue with the system. It's PROCESSED food, there is common sense involved that you take and inherent risk. People die from tainted foods ALL the time. I can remember countless reports just in the last 5 years. I consider a slab of beef from the local super MUCH safer than getting a Taco from a fast food joint. Most of those people couldn't care less if you died that night from meat setting on the counter or a taco in the bin for 20 or 30 minutes. Bush is doing a horrible job at making sure the snot nose kid is handling your food properly. He is the redneck anti-food safety coalition regime syndicate.
It's all political motivated to feed a personal bias of a sub culture in my opinion. There was ONE cow found, to answer a question. Only a very small percentage of cows are tested. The reason is, they have to be dead. What is the alternative? Having thousands of dead cows lying around? Hmmm that sounds safe? Testing a small percentage representative of the herd and taking action when discovered? Already doing that and the population can't seem to handle it because they are force fed gospel from the TV god each night. I don't know but I hope the "system" stands by its guns and doesn't cave to the same people who will probably go and order a processed chicken sandwich at McDonalds today and think absolutely nothing of it.... even when the cashier handles the food and their money at the same time. Hate that.
It’s interesting. The leading cause of death in the USA top five are always changing places. But generally they are in this order – unintentional injuries, cancer, heart disease, suicide, and murder. We can’t seem to get along very well and like to die from falling of ladders or choking on burritos.
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January 5th, 2004, 08:58 PM
#19
Given the gestation period, well not really gestation, but time for the disease to do it's dirty work. The cow was infected or contracted the disease during about mid term of the Clinton Administration. I think it's funny how the Bush cartel syndicate regime is at fault for a cow that was actually infected in the 90's.
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January 6th, 2004, 02:46 AM
#20
/me Eats a burger. Mmmmm.... MCD
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