January 8th, 2004, 10:52 PM
I noticed in a thread that there are legal hacks. I thought all hacks were illegal. What kinds of hacks are legal?
DON'T WORRY I'M NOT GOING TO HACK INTO SOMEONE'S COMPUTER, LEGALLY OR ILLEGALLY
I'm just curious.
January 8th, 2004, 10:55 PM
Thread was moved from GCC to Misc Security as this seems an interesting security discussion.
Well, I think it might be better to define it as exploits or cracking as hacks -- to me -- are more discovering something about an OS. But to answer your question, legal ones are ones you are given written authority to do against a machine. Or you build a machine at home to do it. (e.g., wargame machine).
It's when you go after someone else's machine that things become ... questionable.
January 8th, 2004, 11:00 PM
Questionable? Is it automatically illegal to hack into somebody elses computer? Or is it just wrong by moral standards?
January 8th, 2004, 11:03 PM
Well, I don't want to say outright that all countries have Computer Crime laws as I don't know every country's legal standards but a majority do, so in a "yes and no" answer, it is "automatically" illegal to hack into the majority of computers out there. I don't know which countries don't have such laws but I wouldn't put it past them to assume that they won't have them soon.
How's that for an answer?
January 8th, 2004, 11:04 PM
January 9th, 2004, 12:00 AM
I was told that when you get permission you also need to include in the document that the person giving you the permission has the authority to do so. Basically one document that contains those two pieces of information to make it "more" legal. As I'm sure you all know lawyers can be such @(*&%^$** about such things.
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January 9th, 2004, 12:06 AM
There have been some cases where it was deemed legal, when someone "hacked" into computers in a very limited sense, with no detrimental activities and reported it to the right sources. One case a hacker installed trojans on Child p0rn hosters and reported it to the FBI and was given a pat on the back. Its a very tight rope to walk, and there's a lot hypocrisy, when it suits them one time its ok when it doesn't they make hell for you. As msmittens said in pretty much any "modern" nation, they can throw the book at you for any unauthorized access.
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January 9th, 2004, 12:18 AM
the word hack sound illegal
January 9th, 2004, 12:29 AM
In australia, if you do want to hack a business (to find there weaknesses, or whateva) you must get a signed legal document from the CEO or equivlent of the IT department, it must be signed by a JP (justice of the peace) because if you dont, it turns out that that thing you signed is all it is A THING lmao. but yeah get permission and get a legal document.
And many times i have heard stories about hacking kiddie porn site and the hackers getting off scot free. Well it doesnt work like that here, the way they see it is, we are the authority and all you are civilians we will deal with them. So... a hack is a hack nomatter who you do it to. but im 100% with anti-kporn hackers (if you want to do it, just do it illeagally)
but make sure you have that peice of paper and make sure that you let the company know that they should have a backup, (so if you accidently cough wipe the system) its easy to fix.
January 9th, 2004, 03:09 AM
The word hack doesnt sound illegal girl. learning things like hacking can help us protect ourselves from outer attacks