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April 20th, 2004, 09:04 AM
#11
RedNecked American View
To those that are easily upset.....please don't read any farther.
If someone were to bomb civilians in my home town and then brag about it.....they would find I take the view that war is HELL. I would bomb them back, and to hell with being surgical about it.
Personally, I would drop a 500# bomb on a consentration of their people for every bomb they set off amoung mine. Eye for an eye bull....when I want to get even, I really mean vastly ahead. 100/1 sounds very good to me, and I would not just limit it to military targets. There are no civilians in war.
The US pussyfooted around in Viet Nam, and look what it got them. South Korean soldiers(ROK) on the other hand responded quickly and completely when they were attacted, and per capita had far less soldiers killed, especially by sniper or ambush style attacks.
Yes its bloody. Yes alot of people get hurt/killed and maimed. But, its over fairly quick, because one side or both runs out of people.
\"Life should NOT be a journey to the grave with the intention of arriving safely in an attractive and well preserved body, but rather to skid in sideways, Champagne in one hand - strawberries in the other, body thoroughly used up, totally worn out and screaming WOO HOO - What a Ride!\"
Author Unknown
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April 20th, 2004, 09:55 AM
#12
Tedob1
I understood what you were saying. the only thing was that as I had to go convince a server that it really didnt need the blue screen to prove it was an original microsoft product both Pwaring and Nihil posted before me. So anyway back to the topic.
I would have no problem with the israeli army killing off all the heads of Hamas. That would be justifiable. IF you behead the organisation it would make it easier for the palastinian authorities to dismantle it. What does disturbe me in the timing between the killings. A couple of weeks ago there was another head of hamas taken out. The timing between the killis is just about right to keep the emotions running as high as possiable in palastien and as such makes all discussion impossiable. This allows Israel to act unilaterially as there is no-one on the other side to talk to.
I agree with what Ms Mittens said in another thread -- It is frightening how hard line israel has become in the last couple of years.
Here is an interesting link I found that goes into the situtation since 1947. the details are good even if it is a bit light. They do give all their referance material so it is well worth a read.
the middle east problem
the conflict
here is the worlds reaction.
bbc world reaction
\"America is the only country that went from barbarism to decadence without civilization in between.\"
\"The reason we are so pleased to find other people\'s secrets is that it distracts public attention from our own.\"
Oscar Wilde(1854-1900)
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April 21st, 2004, 08:08 PM
#13
Where is the reaction and outcry when Hamas suicide bombers kill Isreali school children? Their crime, going to school. Isreal shows great restraint, especially when an army of masked soldiers carrying AK 47s and Shoulder Rocket launchers are congregated in a parade for the funeral of a Humas leader. Knowing that one of those in attendence will kill civilians in a bus stop or a hotel, or a coffee shop or a super market. Even knowing that and looking the enemy in the face, they hold restraint in favor of a world against them.
West of House
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April 22nd, 2004, 04:23 AM
#14
Member
Roadclosed: you present a valid viewpoint but you forget, Israel invaded and continues to invade Palestine and the remnants of Palestine. Both nationalities are at fault here, and sadly there is a lot of emotions behind this small war which means that it is far from over. The simple fact is that no one is innocent here, each are as condemnable as the other. May God and Allah have mercy on our souls as well as thier own. And may a peaceful end to this conflict be reached someday.
\"The wise programmer is told about Tao and follows it. The average programmer is told about Tao and searches for it. The foolish programmer is told about Tao and laughs at it.
If it were not for laughter, there would be no Tao.\"
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April 22nd, 2004, 05:11 PM
#15
Redhawk, I don't forget anything, well I try not too.
Perhaps I can shed some light on Israel in my own words. For instance, why are they in the Gaza Strip and West Bank and why do they occupy territory considered by the Palestine’s to be their home land? First off, you may remember the Ottoman Empire chose sides with Germany during WWI. They lost, their empire folded and land was up for grabs. You don't initiate hostile takeover of other societies and expect them to just give everything back. Sure that happens but if one country attacks another with intention to destroy the society they are after, then a think recourse and taking of the attackers land is justified. But as you note that after World War 2 most areas were given back autonomy, even Germany was divided among the winners. But the Germans victors accepted the division which over decades lead to the re-unification of Germany.
On to the Middle East, after the Axis Powers were defeated the newly formed UNITED NATIONS, I caps that for effect, gave Jews land covered by what is now pretty much Israel. Remember the Empire was defeated, their hostile action brought about the defeat. The Arab world was pissed so HALF of Israel was to be given to the Palestine’s, because they were there for a centuries, but heck Jews were there before that. Don't recall Palestine’s at the Crucifixion. But in recent history the area was occupied by Palestine, they lost a war so the result was again, the UN set the land to be used by BOTH, divided.
But the Arab world would have none of that and they did not accept the offer and started hostility (again). It was much more than Palestine that attacked the new state of Israel. They were fighting for survival on all sides and they won; only now they controlled 80 percent of the territory that was supposed to be used by Palestine. Are they victims or aggressors? Palestine and the rest of the Arab world did not accept the UN directive, after losing a war with the west. What about the other Israel held territories?
After Israel won the fighting and held control of Palestine areas, Egypt and Jordan held onto The infamous Gaza Strip and West bank held by each country respectively. In the 60 and 70 escalations rose once again and Egypt once again ATTACKED Israel. The war was devastating and the Israeli Air Force cut through Egypt defenses and drove them back past the borders of The Gaza Strip, guess what, Israel said you attacked us, we won, we are ****ing keeping Gaza, and have a nice day. My guess is it was a buffer zone at the time and Israeli settlers began making home there. Israeli invaders in a war initiated by Egypt? Over simplified, perhaps but that is what happened. I’ll leave Jordan to another discussion.
In each case the invaders were Arab. Now you can argue that the UN resolution was wrong and go from there, but remember the three Arab/Israeli wars since World War 2 and the destruction of the Ottoman Empire were not Israel invading other counties. Current borders in Israel are the result of military successes and demographics. In fact since peace talks in the late 70s and 80s Israel has given control of much of the disputed areas in Gaza and Golan Heights to the Palestine’s. Mr. Sedate (Egypt) was a childhood fascination with me. But they (Palestine) continued killing Israelis and children so some of that process has been hurt, outcomes including the wall being constructed to separate those areas.
Does anyone remember the assassination of a recent Israeli Prime minister? I know everyone is worried about AK 47 mask wearing Hams leaders, but a very respected Yitzhak Rabin was gunned down in the name of “Peace”. And no one cared. He didn’t even wear a mask or carry rocket propelled shoulder launchers in public and was a Prime Minister of an internationally recognized country, Israel. To my knowledge non of the conspiracy theories around his death have panned out, but it was he who signed a peace accord with Yasser Arafat, once labeled a terrorist and leader of the PLO. So many people were pissed that he even spoke to him. Perhaps a great man of peace? Or a fool, who knows, I like the first.
I suppose the Israeli people are just supposed to shut up and let the Arab world destroy them for the name of World Peace. Hamas operates INDEPENDENT of Palestine authority in public notion. There might be some secret ties, very likely, but in the public eye, Hamas does not answer to Palestine authority, that’s why the hide behind masks. Perhaps they are the true leaders of the Palestine people, if so they are doomed to death for many years to come.
West of House
You are standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door.
There is a small mailbox here.
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April 25th, 2004, 09:35 PM
#16
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"Hamas operates INDEPENDENT of Palestine authority in public notion. There might be some secret ties, very likely, but in the public eye, Hamas does not answer to Palestine authority, that’s why the hide behind masks. Perhaps they are the true leaders of the Palestine people"
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seems to me another group, before Hamas fit this discription (aside from the masks). a group of terrorists calling themselves "Irgun" blewup building and killed the occupation force in palistine in an attempt to drive them from their land, apparently without the knowledge or consent of the "official" leaders. they also threatened world wide terrorism if their demands were not met. Members of that group included David Ben-Gurion, Menachem Begin and Ariel Sharon who turned out to be the true leaders of israel
as an example:
http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Pa.../Kingdavid.htm
"Sharon was a killer obsessed with hatred of Palestinians. I
had promised Arafat that his people would not get any harm.
Sharon, however, ignored this commitment entirely. Sharon's
word is worth nil."
Ambassador Philip Habib
President Ronald Reagan's Special Middle East Envoy in 1982
now this isn't to say that the palistinians are right but rather to say both sides are wrong. they both seem to think that the end justifies the means even when there's no end in sight.
Bukhari:V3B48N826 “The Prophet said, ‘Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?’ The women said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is because of the deficiency of a woman’s mind.’”
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April 26th, 2004, 01:20 AM
#17
Ted that was a good link, did you have a good look around that site?
There is no easy answere to the problems in the middle east because of hatred and bigotry. The poisoning of young minds from an early age.
I believe the onlyway is to fight fire with fire as unpalatable as that may seem. Hamas has it comeing to them.
This is from a page i found through Teddobs link it shows that fighting a terrorist war is a thankless and nasty business.
The Americans were strongly pro Jewish and very anti British. One Hollywood motion picture Mogul declared in the British press that he had a holiday in his heart every time a British soldier was killed in Palestine. and large sections of the American media echoed this sentiment. At one point early in 1945 Winston Churchill became so irritated with continual American shouting about Palestine that he suggested that since the Americans were so unhappy about the way Britain was handling Palestine, "the best solution would be for them to take the job over themselves, I'm not aware that Britain has to vaunt about this painful and thankless task, he said, and someone else should have their turn and the sooner the better".
Read it all here:
http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/kidnap.htm
Jinxy
What happens if a big asteroid hits the Earth? Judging from realistic simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog, we can assume it will be pretty bad. - Dave Barry
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April 26th, 2004, 02:27 AM
#18
no i didn't look around i was searching for some info on the king david hotel bombing that didn't look too biased. isn't irony ironic?
Bukhari:V3B48N826 “The Prophet said, ‘Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?’ The women said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is because of the deficiency of a woman’s mind.’”
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April 26th, 2004, 02:32 AM
#19
It sure is which reminds me of Alanis Morriset. Isn't it ironic.
Edit: Don't you think.
What happens if a big asteroid hits the Earth? Judging from realistic simulations involving a sledge hammer and a common laboratory frog, we can assume it will be pretty bad. - Dave Barry
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