RFIDs Revisited
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 13

Thread: RFIDs Revisited

  1. #1
    BS, EnCE, ACE, Cellebrite 11001001's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2002
    Location
    Just West of Beantown, though nobody from Beantown actually calls it "Beantown."
    Posts
    1,229

    RFIDs Revisited

    from Wired News - 2004-07-07

    European retailer Metro built the Future Store to be the premier live testing ground for RFID tags, and the world's biggest consumer goods manufacturers are lining up to have a gander. Gillette, Kraft, and Procter & Gamble are among the companies banking on RFID chips to track each cream cheese container, razor blade, and bottle of shampoo. They know precisely which package occupies what bit of shelf space and how long it takes the Future Store's staff to replace a purchased item.

    ...

    "And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads." Katherine Albrecht is reading aloud from chapter 13 of the Book of Revelation. " and that no man might buy or sell, save that he had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast; for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred threescore and six.'"

    This is no wild-eyed street preacher. Albrecht is a Harvard PhD candidate in educational psychology and a reliable media staple, appearing on seemingly every TV or radio talk show on the topic of RFID. Red-haired and apple-cheeked, she's wearing a tasteful sweater with a silk scarf draped around her shoulders. Albrecht is the founder of Caspian, Consumers Against Supermarket Privacy Invasion and Numbering. She's well-informed, appealing, and adept at rebutting the pro-RFID arguments of industry shills and tech wonks. Most of all, she sees the danger and she's spreading the word.

    An interesting, albeit long (4 pages) read...
    That's Officer 11001001 to you...
    Now you see me | Now you don't
    "Relax, Bender; It was just a dream. There's no such thing as two." ~ Fry
    sometimes my computer goes down on me

  2. #2
    Senior Member RoadClosed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Posts
    3,834
    It may be of interest to know that WalMart is requiring future vendors to have their shipments RFID equiped or it won't stock any of their products or even do retail bisiness with them. Oh and ATM cards were the mark of the beast when they came out as well. I remember as a child thinking, hey I can get money when I need it, what's the deal? Oh and Walmart isn't the only one, in case you hate WalMart like me.... Target will as well.

    WalMart
    Target
    ATM Cards
    West of House
    You are standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door.
    There is a small mailbox here.

  3. #3
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    634
    I was gonna put and RFID tag in my cats collar, cos I have a cat flap that is done though magnets but of course other cats have the same collar and its not unique to all cats.

    RFID developers kits can be had pretty cheap although its not difficult to build your own reciever and connect it to some form of microcontroller to do the processing

    slightly extreme and only really thought about when theres next doors cat in my house,

    i2c

  4. #4
    Senior Member RoadClosed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Posts
    3,834
    Another issue with pets is, I take long vacations out of country. If one were to get out and get caught, I run the risk that it would be adopted or euthanasia, in extreme cases they wait 5 days and zap. I hear Arnold wants 3 days in California? With a tag they would know it's mine and keep it until I was notified. I have been considering it since I have 5 pets, all very mischievous.
    West of House
    You are standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door.
    There is a small mailbox here.

  5. #5
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    634
    when animals i retrieved by the RSPCA (Royal Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals) and put them up for adoption i think they tag dogs and cats (maybe other animals to) so that there all on a database and they can be scanned to find out the owner..

    www.rspca.org.uk/microchipping

    theres been a story in the papers today about how large amounts of cattle arent being tagged, which is apparently required after the BSE problems,

    its an interesting use of the technology, makes you wounder how long itll be before they start implanting chips under humans skin.

    i2c

  6. #6
    Senior Member RoadClosed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Posts
    3,834
    What if it's like "wild kingdom" where they shoot us in our cars, drug us, check our teeth, then secretly tag us.. then when we wake up we don't know what happened, except our teeth are clean.
    West of House
    You are standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door.
    There is a small mailbox here.

  7. #7
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    634
    I was thinking of the X files personnally, never seen that film but the same principle seems to be used in both...


    i2c

  8. #8
    Senior Member RoadClosed's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2003
    Posts
    3,834
    Down a philosophical path:

    I don't see that happening unless the world falls into complete chaos and the only way to control violence is through strict martial law. Something along the lines of a global breakdown in society and morality ala "Road Warrior" style. Or as recently experienced, a degradation of socialist culture to a Leninist style control. Even then, the holders of power will probably just shoot instead of tracking citizens, unless like in the X-files we are being cattled along for some secret extraterrestrial plot. If that is the case, keep me in the dark until the cattle prod ends my ride. My internal organs are pretty much pickled anyway so I’ll end up being some hyped up pet food.

    The current view of western culture wouldn't allow such a thing to implant devices on my person, and I don't always buy into the "slippery slope" mentality. Meaning we already have our finger prints taken from birth and then several times over our lifetime, that does not mean it leads to Orwellian government, as long as we maintain the constitution and not slip into extreme socialist ideals. Perhaps in 1000 years that could be reality, or society may move in an entirely different direction.

    As others see technology to be the dark coming of enslavement and the antichrist, I see it as a freedom mechanism of enlightenment. Take the internet for example, it does give one the ability to track my interests and violate privacy, but it opens up more knowledge and experiences than I have ever experienced hanging out at libraries and museum or walking around the great universities of the world. A bad and a good, perhaps a much greater good than originally thought possible.

    As I look to the future - these little devices don't bring dark omens they bring intrigue. Sure I think, what if they use them to track me, I'll have to learn to change its signal to a random number? Hell I wear a cell phone 24/7 now so is it a big deal? (Open minded question not a statement.) If mankind plays the right card, many problems will be solved by technology and technology ALONE, it's the "slippery slope" that recedes and impedes that progress. It prevents those with ideas from trying on both sides of the political fence, those environmentalists who successfully halted all nuclear progress have forced us to rely on natural resources that are drying up, while at the same time SCREAMING about global warming. They care nothing outside of their personal causes except to relieve boredom.

    And there are those who mock governments for allotting money to pursue technological advances, because there are people on the street starving. Even though they have been there since man first started moving it's clan based society into cities. Perhaps those pre-history men and woman dealt with the issue by killing them and eating them? Sounds cruel, but hey they were barbarians. Some seem to think this just started happening in the last century. Perhaps one day someone will discover a method to change the behavior of a man who cannot function and establish a basic need such as demonstrated by Maslow.

    What if this “cure” came from stem cells of aborted infants? Rebuilding connections in the Brain that have failed. Would we then NEVER discover the solution based on politics and the selfish motivations of people who devote enormous amounts of energy into a single and personal cause of righteousness? Whether that be against advances and use of technology such as RFID, or true Nano based devices, or Stem Cells, or alternative power devices, or forced treatment of homeless, or any number of items that when viewed could be considered evil or a global godsend. Black and white.
    West of House
    You are standing in an open field west of a white house, with a boarded front door.
    There is a small mailbox here.

  9. #9
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    634
    interesting arguments/ views.

    My previous posts have been of a rather un-serious nature your post brings to light some interesting views and I would suggest also that it would be rather unforeseeable that these device would be used in the manner that we joked about. I believe that in democratic society this would never happen despite growing fears among privacys activists surrounding the use of technology of this form. I could however see it happening in like you say in Leninist style govered countrys and also countrys with ethnic cleansing "ambitions"

    as for a country ruled in the style of the book 1984, i cant see any goverment having the overwhleming paranoia to place covert microphones in the country side or introduce spys and doctors to abduct and brainwash people to the correct state, although perhaps it has happened to a certain extent such as in north korea.

    As many people say technology flourishes in times of war, this is of course due to politicians wanting a quick resolve to situtations but also maybe because the political structure that often holds back technological development is slackened somewhat? becuase of greater concerns rather than if a technology is ethical or whether it is truely needed. Take for instance the atomic bomb, it started developments in nuclear technology which lead to things such a nuclear power and treatments to cancer becuase of a greater understanding of the physics.

    I total agree with you on your beliefs about the behaviour of environmentalists concerning nuclear energy. A large percentage of Nuclear power stations in the UK have been decommissioned and now only 25% of the UK's power is supplied by this method this is alloot less that other coutrys in the EU with some using around 40-50%. I belive that this is the only way to prevent global warming increasing at a much greater rate, yet enviromentalists insist on using old technologys and relying on the development on renewable energys which arent being developed to the full extent that maybe they should be being if we are to reach the targets that have been said that need to be met. I believe a great deal of these groups lack the proper scientific backgrounds to comment on these matters and thus just happer progress. Renewable technologys are great however and i believe they should be developed more, and having studied at a university which is involved heavily in the development of wave energy devices I can say that we're slowly getting there (not fast enough though) I have see proposals for many innovative projects, but again there are a group of people that have objections to them much like the enviromentalists. Take for instance the windturbine, the 4 bladed turbine is cheaper to manufacture and can cope with greater wind speeds and devlop larger amounts of power, it is used thoughout europe...yet in the UK it is not used because it is said to be an eyesore and therefore 3 blades are prefered. absolutly stupid... Its a catch 22 people want to be using renewable technologys but theres a "not in my back yard" attitude which is preventing there installation.

    I beleive that eventually these "selfish motivations" of people are going prevent further developments until the moment arises that there desperatly needed and then people my sit up and realise that they were arrogant and stupid....or maybe there'll just blame it on the goverment or someone else.

    i2c

  10. #10
    Senior Member
    Join Date
    Jul 2003
    Posts
    634
    its not all the enviromentalists however, some have seen the light though there clouds of marijuana smoke and john lennon style sun glasses -

    http://www.abc.net.au/am/content/2004/s1115187.htm

    not the most indepth article in the world....

    i2c

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •