ok I will take them down and PM everybody and ask Intmon then. If they say it is OK, then I will post it. Until then, I have some other stuff I can post here and there. The basic idea is if JupMedia does not wish to have the PDF converted to HTML, plain text whatever, then maybe it can save them the trouble. I also do not have a problem with sticking tons of copyright notices and stuff to say it belongs to Jupmedia and others.