September 14th, 2004, 08:59 AM
Are Hotmail And Yahoo! Blocking Gmail Invites?
originally posted here
Joel Johnson created a buzz by reporting that some Gmail invites and emails aren't getting through to Hotmail users. Several reports also claim the emails aren't getting through Yahoo! Mail filters.
Have you noticed any problems sending Gmail invites? Share your experiences at WebProWorld.
Paul Thurrett of WinnetMag reports Hotmail, which is owned by Microsoft, plans to increase its email storage to compete with the 1 Gigabite of space Google offers through its new Gmail service.
"Hotmail [may] be blocking the Gmail invitations," Johnson, editor of Gizmodo, announced after a Gmail invite he'd attempted to send to a Hotmail account bounced.
Alex Nobert, a reader of Johnson's blog, also reported similar problems sending invites to Hotmail from Orkut, Google's online community. "Orkut responded that they had to work out an arrangement with Hotmail," Nobert said. "About a month later several old invites arrived at Hotmail addresses. I suspect it has to do with an unknown source domain generating too many emails to Hotmail accounts in a short span and being picked up by Hotmail spam filters."
They aren't the only ones reporting problems. WebmasterWorld member Robert Skelton reported his ISP is blocking Gmail emails "due to potential privacy and confidentiallity considerations."
Google has been widely criticized for scanning emails, which draws up privacy concerns although users agree to Gmail's terms and conditions when signing up for the free service. "We collect limited account information and store and maintain your account and email messages on our secure servers," Google admits, but maintains that all collected information will not be shared or sold without user permission.
"The biggest threat to the privacy of the person's reply is the person they send it to - not the provider," Skelton says in this WebmasterWorld thread.
Several reports have also accused Google's leading competitor Yahoo! of sending Gmail invites straight to the spam filter.
"It's a well known issue with Yahoo! mail that Gmail invitations are being delivered straight into that bulk folder," claims one WebHostingTalk member.
"Since a competing free email service can potentially cut into Yahoo's business, they've set up filters to make it more difficult for Gmail invitations to get to their users (or at least, that's the way it appears)," writes Greg at the Talent Show. "As far as Yahoo is concerned, Gmail invites are spam."
Greg reported that Yahoo!, which recently increased its email storage to 100MB to compete with Google, automatically filters any email from a Gmail address that contains the body of a Gmail invite. If you have accounts with Yahoo! and Gmail or know someone who does, you can test this theory yourself by copying and pasting the following into an email body:
[blank] has invited you to open a free Google Gmail account. The invitation will expire in three weeks and can only be used to set up one account.
To accept this invitation and register for your account, visit http://gmail.google.com/gmail/
Once you create your account, [blank] will be notified with your new @gmail.com address so you can stay in touch with Gmail!
If you haven't already heard about Gmail, it's a new search-based webmail service that offers:
- 1,000 megabytes (one gigabyte) of free storage
- Built-in Google search that instantly finds any message you want
- Automatic arrangement of messages and related replies into "conversations"
- Text ads and related pages that are relevant to the content of your messages
Gmail is still in an early stage of development. If you set up an account, you'll be able to keep it even after we make Gmail more widely available and as one of the system's early testers, you will be helping us improve the service through your feedback. We might ask for your comments and suggestions periodically and we appreciate your help in making Gmail even better.
The Gmail Team
To learn more about Gmail before registering, visit: http://gmail.google.com/gmail/help/benefits.html
(If clicking the URLs in this message does not work, copy and paste them into the address bar of your browser).
Send the email from your Gmail account to any Yahoo! account, then wait and see what happens. (Thanks to the Talent Show for this idea.)
WebProNews tested this theory and both Gmail invites and emails from Gmail accounts containing the body of Gmail invites were automatically filtered to Yahoo! Mail's "bulk mail" folder.
While privacy concerns may be getting Gmail blocked by some ISPs, Johnson personally doesn't believe Hotmail is blocking Gmail invites, although he says, "If Hotmail is blocking Gmail invites, they aren't doing it on a widespread basis."
WebProNews tested these reports by sending Gmail invites to a Hotmail account, and the invites were successfully received - although Gmail emails to some ISPs were caught by spam filters.
Could it be that Hotmail is blocking emails from Google or is it just a problem with spam filters?
Tell us what you think at WebProWorld, the WebProNews e-Business forum.
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Brittany Thompson is an administrator for WebProWorld.com and contributes to the Insider Reports with her regular articles and interviews.
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may be true as my friends also complained thatthey did not recive my gmail invites inspite of my repeatd sending . the domains are mostly of yahoo ,ending with
any of your experince?
September 14th, 2004, 09:27 AM
Ive had no problems so far, ive sent out about 6 all to hotmail accounts and ive had no problems
September 14th, 2004, 10:42 AM
any one else , coz my friends sure had trouble finding the activation link. i sent the mail to another rediff (www.rediff.com) account (which does not filter the gmail invite) copt paster the link and send it to them
September 14th, 2004, 10:50 AM
Hotmail works, sent one yesterday..
All others were sent to private (and corporate) mail servers of friends and their companies..
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September 14th, 2004, 11:54 AM
I've had trouble with my yahoo account. Someone was going to send me one two nights ago and they couldn't get it to work. Not sure it if was something they were doing wrong or if you just can't send invites to yahoo accounts. Peace.
September 14th, 2004, 12:02 PM
I ended up receiving two gmail invites in my hotmail account, cuz two people sent me invites...
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September 14th, 2004, 12:09 PM
hey hertic ,check the invites in you bulk mail folder , yahoo seem to put a stamp of "spam " on them.
September 14th, 2004, 03:57 PM
Had problems with Hotmail and Yahoo. They were sent, but ended up in the junk mail folder.
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September 14th, 2004, 04:36 PM
well this work other way round also, i just sent myself mail to gmail account from my hotmail account and guess what ,it was filtered to spam folder in my gmail account. And I was not even notified that i have mail in my bulk folder.
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September 14th, 2004, 05:23 PM
I have two gmail acounts. One sent to my yahoo account by a friend and another sent to a diff yahoo acount by myself (thanks to surplus invites). Niether yahoo invite sent went to bulk mail folder. Hrmm this is strange. Maybe it depends on the levels of junk mail you get. I almost never get spam in my yahoo acounts so that may have been a factor. And yes i do have spamgaurd turned on.