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    This is the perfect way to become a skript kiddie. By the way, being told how to do something is just as bad. You don't know what your really doing, your just following someone elses directions to see what happens.

    What a lame way to go about it. Why don't you just pick up the next issue of Blacklisted 411 and educate yourself.
    Yes, I'll remember that next time.

    boo hoo.

    Besides, didn't he say he was going to use it on his own network? haha, you people forget very quickly and start yapping: "This is a security site! What are you doing? yadda, yadda!!" Simple. If you do not know what crackers are doing, how the tools work and whatever, then you will NOT know what is going on. If you remember, JP did have those kind of tools for people to look at here which AO was founded on. Knowing what your enemy does.

    You know, there is NO use explaining this for the nth time. I'll continue what I do.
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    I do agree that in order to fight the enemy yo have to know them. But the majority of tools skiddies use are just GUIs that run a series of commands instead of the person actually having to run the commands. they use exploits that are usually well known (or will be well known after the tool is spread), so in truth, we dont need to know the tools. we need to know the exploits they are using, or how they are conducting the attack. this is the root of "hacking" skiddies dont last becasue they dont know what the tool is doing, so when it doesnt work or something changes they are screwed. post links about relavent info, like the oriley books linked above, those are very good. they will teach what the tools do and how to hack, not how to click a button in a window and calling your self 1337.
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    You can't even begin to learn hacking until you acquire some other skills first. (Speaking as one who is by NO means a "hacker" yet.) For starters, you need to know:

    1) Programming
    2) Networking

    If you're not pretty darn proficient in both of those, my hunch is you're not even ready to ask how to begin hacking yet.

    What I'm doing presently is burying my head into a book on TCP/IP networking. I picked up the manual on the TCP/IP MCSE exam and have already learned a ton of stuff from it, and what I've learned has given me more insight on how attacks such as ARP flooding, DOSing, and various others work.

    Think of hacking as a graduate course. You have to get your bachelor's degree first, and that's learning how the insides of that computer of yours works.

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    There was a moral to the post. If you want to know so badly, use google. It amazes me how many people ask for help on these subjects and just do not take the time to look it up. Granted, some people do not know how to ask the right questions and do not know where to even start. In that case, it is not a good idea to even look up google and learn the very basics first.

    MsMittens has a class about security, and she sees all kinds of people of all levels. Perhaps this person would benefit from asking her how to find a good place to start. Lastly, even in a class, the instructor (or a good one) will not hold your hand either. They will give you a problem and teach you how to ask the right questons and solve practical problems.

    As for the kiddie tools I listed above, it was tongue in cheek, but I guess people do not know satire if it hit them in the face. In that case, that is not my problem.
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    In reply to stupid question:

    (sigh)I'm kind of tired of this... posted Today 10:56 AM
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    Alright. Whenever I try to find some kind of way to learn how to hack, I always get the "ABOUTS" on the subject. The books I try to read... 'I will only tell you the basics so you can be on your way...' WTF!
    What I am looking for is the step by step guide to doing this stuff. I have a small network. My main man (computer) is my laptop with Wi-Fi, and XP. I would really like to practice. Teach me something. I hear the people and websites and books say that DoS, spoofing, interception...etc is HOW they do it. BS. The word how is what I expect to tell me the details. So start me off. I've been trying to learn this stuff since I was 15. All the resources tell me the same thing. (sigh). I would prefer doing this stuff for the government or some buisness one day instead of being in a cubicle typing out paperwork for agendas. If you aren't comfortable replying out the open to this post then please pm me.
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    How To Learn How To Hack 101:

    - get an old PC
    - install Slackware --> http://www.slackware.org/
    - do not install X or GUI crap
    - install all the networking tools
    - read this --> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
    - then read this --> http://en.tldp.org/HOWTO/Unix-and-In...mentals-HOWTO/
    - then don't ever come back to this site and ask such a question again. You will be gone for years and years.

    p.s. Does this count as a tutorial? Can it? I need the points!! :-)

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    p.s. Does this count as a tutorial? Can it? I need the points!! :-)
    No, it does not count as a tutorial. It has to be your own and in the right forum. Also, asking for karma will only make others mad, so not worry. If you wanna know the basics, PM me.

    Oh, never mind. You got some.
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    I have an AMD Athlon XP 2600 + with half a gig of RAM and Slackware 10 without a GUI running right now, does that mean I'm leet?

    Oh I just found a bug in SUSE docs too! Damn man I'm going to be the next Dade Murphy!


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    Uh.. there is already a well known term for these types: script kiddies.
    Or "Anti-Online member"... but thats just too offensive.

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    I think just about everything that needed to be said was said but, I just had to inject a little humor in response to this-
    a software engineer is a hacker
    True for everyone except cobol programmers (my old job).
    We're not hackers, we're overly verbose clowns on acid that couldn't hack an atari if it came with instructions and a bolt cutter.
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    quickbasic rules <insert headbanging smiley here>

    that's where I started learning about user input validation (and the lack thereof), you can deface almost every website if you master that ****
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