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    Microsoft: Legit Windows or no updates

    Aiming to crack down on counterfeit software, Microsoft plans later this year to require customers to verify that their copy of Windows is genuine before downloading security patches and other add-ons to the operating system.

    Since last fall the company has been testing a tool that can check whether a particular version of Windows is legitimate, but until now the checks have been voluntary. Starting Feb. 7, the verification will be mandatory for many downloads for people in three countries: China, Norway and the Czech Republic.

    In those countries, people whose copies are found not to be legitimate can get a discount on a genuine copy of Windows, though the price varies from $10 to $150 depending on the country.

    By the middle of this year, Microsoft will make the verification mandatory in all countries for both add-on features to Windows as well as for all OS updates, including security patches. Microsoft will continue to allow all people to get Windows updates by turning on the Automatic Update feature within Windows. By doing so, Microsoft hopes it has struck a balance between promoting security and ensuring that people buy genuine versions of Windows.

    "We think that the best foundation for the most secure system is genuine software," said David Lazar, director of the Genuine Windows program at Microsoft. "We want to urge all of our customers to use genuine software. (At the same time), we want to make sure that we don't do anything to reduce the likelihood that a user will keep their system up to date."

    The program, known as Windows Genuine Advantage, also offers perks to those who verify their copy of Windows. Those who do can get free software as well as discounts on other Microsoft products and services. Microsoft is upping the ante a bit, adding some additional discounts on MSN Games as well as on the company's recently announced Outlook Live subscription service to the existing list of benefits, which includes free access to the company's Photo Story 3 program.

    Customers do appear to be interested in double-checking the status of their operating system. Some 8 million people have been asked to participate in the program since testing began, and more than 5 million have taken part.

    And those numbers have come with very little recruiting on the part of Microsoft, Lazar said.

    "More and more we will be marketing the offers to broaden the participation," he said. "People do like free stuff."

    Piracy is a major problem for Microsoft and others in the software industry. One software industry study estimated that more than a third of software is pirated, costing the industry $29 billion a year. Microsoft won't put an exact figure on its losses, but said it is certainly in the billions over the past 10 years.

    The validation effort is just part of Microsoft's threefold program, which focuses on educating users, engineering products in ways that minimize piracy, and enforcement through the legal system.

    As for the added security risk, Directions on Microsoft analyst Michael Cherry said that people are putting too much of the blame on the software maker.

    Cherry said it is not necessarily Microsoft's responsibility to protect people who aren't paying the company for its products. He likened the situation to buying a fake Rolex and then expecting warranty service if the product breaks.

    The problem with that analogy, Cherry acknowledged, is that a broken Rolex doesn't put other watch owners at risk, whereas vulnerable computers connected to the Internet threaten all PC users. However, Cherry said that many of the computers that are at risk are using genuine, but older versions of Windows.

    "There's a growing chance that the people whose machines are being taken over are running older systems which aren't really securable," he said.

    Cherry said he thinks the company is acting appropriately, noting that making sure people are running genuine Windows is important for all customers.

    "I think they are entitled to do this, and I think it is in customers' best interest to know that they have a genuine version of the software," he said. Counterfeit copies could contain their own bugs or viruses, and there is no way to guarantee that security patches will work, even if the user can download them, he said.

    While Microsoft is the obvious beneficiary if piracy rates go down, Cherry said programs like Genuine Advantage also help level the playing field for smaller computer builders who play by the rules and find themselves undercut by dealers offering PCs with bogus copies of Windows.

    "Those are the people I hope the program is helping," Cherry said.
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    Okay where is the stampede of M$ bashers? I think its a god idea and well within thier rights to require that you verify the legitamacy of your copy of windows before you can download the updates. i paid for my copies of windows why shouldnt everybody else. The people who will bitch the loudest about this are the people who are using pirated software.

    Now i have a question about all this. I know what pirated software is but what is microsofts definition? Because I know several people all using XP pro installed off of the same disc or an image of said disc. And before anyone asks no its not a corprate volume with multiple licenses. But they have all gone to the microsoft site and checked their copies and ALL of them came out clear. So does it just check for blacklisted cd keys or what?

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    Wasn't this posted a few weeks ago?

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    Wasn't this posted a few weeks ago?
    Perhaps. But with all the bootleg windows OS's out there, this will cause some problems with worms because of exploits that cannot be patched. Oh well.
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    this kind of trick just made Legit Users mad, since MS cant avoid the pirated versions get updates. The "pirate" will simply d/l patches with a legit copy and apply to all pirated ones...
    But those checks just make (for all of use that bought legit software) the process slower....
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    Originally posted here by gothic_type
    Wasn't this posted a few weeks ago?
    Yep, here by Maestro http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hlight=genuine

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    it says that you can get updates still if u have an illegal copy but, your options will be very limited. all this will go into effect mid year.
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    In reality this could have an effect on the use of open source operating systems. More people may be inclined to move to Linux. The issue that will be interesting is gamers and what they will do. If great games existed for Linux MS would die with their current practices. The business market would still thrive but the gaming segment would change the scale very quickly.

    In reality the patches will pop up in other places, where some will take advantage of altering the executables to their taste. Or games will be slower to take advantage of new OS components or open source emulators will comes to full fruition out of necessity. I am not saying MS doesn't have the right, only there could be interesting repercussions.
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    i paid for my copies of windows why shouldnt everybody else. The people who will bitch the loudest about this are the people who are using pirated software.
    I payed for the copies that I have and use, and they still need verification on my coppies after activating them, and keeping up with their updates? Whatever
    Customers do appear to be interested in double-checking the status of their operating system. Some 8 million people have been asked to participate in the program since testing began, and more than 5 million have taken part.
    Yeh sure real interested, do it or else.
    As for the added security risk, Directions on Microsoft analyst Michael Cherry said that people are putting too much of the blame on the software maker.
    Boo whoo, the user and microsoft are to blame with an emphasis on microsoft.
    Cherry said it is not necessarily Microsoft's responsibility to protect people who aren't paying the company for its products. He likened the situation to buying a fake Rolex and then expecting warranty service if the product breaks.
    And what about us poor slobs who did buy into their product? Make the legitimate users jump through more hoops while having minimal affect on the illegal users? Good deal.
    "There's a growing chance that the people whose machines are being taken over are running older systems which aren't really securable," he said.
    Doubtfull, but lets see some numbers?
    "I think they are entitled to do this, and I think it is in customers' best interest to know that they have a genuine version of the software,"
    How many times do I need to be told?
    While Microsoft is the obvious beneficiary if piracy rates go down, Cherry said programs like Genuine Advantage also help level the playing field for smaller computer builders who play by the rules and find themselves undercut by dealers offering PCs with bogus copies of Windows.
    How about undercut by microsoft and the big companies with legitimate copies.

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    Well, im no expert but i do have my opinion about this.
    M$ has the right to protect their best interest, no doubt about that..sure, but has far has i remember this is kinda like an "utopia" quest, because theirs always one way here and there that lets call them "bad ppl" that M$ whants to stop, to put their skills (some of them will just make "bad" use of them) to harm and place has said the patchs to public "underground" use. It wont be dificult to find them if thats a way..other, will have to do with "everything is done by human knoledge - sorry for the mistakes" so..if one can protect, other will have the same work doing it reverse..its like the security systems..

    - sir here we have the robotron 2000000 with hightech specs and tecnology, all state of the art, it will give you 100% protection against smuglers

    ..right..okay, this will sure have efect on some machines and users, but the majority..china etc..they will find a way to fight back

    so has the rest...i must say i do have a original windows copie, and use both windows and linux, if i didnt need windows at all..man..ohh man..

    this is just a simple opinion, has im not gonna try and say something about security etc..has its not a subject i stand for, but i dont belive this mesure will cover up the billions they say they lost..at least not has much has they think

    Utopia..every user uses legit software, legit hardware, everyone is paying their obligations, no frauds, piracy, everything is wonderfull...yeah, right --

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