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    Hackivist:Left wing script kiddy

    I went to visit HackThisSite.org today and I noticed this link:

    http://www.freejeremy.com/

    And started to read it. Iíve also noticed in the past that a lot of the challenges seem to be about defacing web pages that far lefters donít like. Is it just me, or does Hackivist usually translate to script kiddy with a left wing political agenda? My own leanings are more libertarian, but when these guys (freejeremy.com) talk about the right and pages like protestwarrior.com the Hackivistís stuff sounds more like hate speech than anything said by protestwarrior.com.

    May take on it is something like this: The right will take away your rights to protect you from others, the left will take away your rights to protect you from yourself. I find the second far more patronizing (but I donít like either).

    So, is this Jeremy guy getting shafted, or did he just get in trouble for violating someone elseís rights to free speech?

    Here is the other folks side of it:

    http://www.protestwarrior.com/newsletters/07_05_05.php

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    So, is this Jeremy guy getting shafted, or did he just get in trouble for violating someone elseís rights to free speech?
    Neither. The FBI and Secret Service don't have the time to waste on silly little leftie skiddies. They would not have arrested him if there wasn't a case to answer, and a damn good one at that. The key would seem to be the credit card, and personal identity data.

    I may sound cynical, but money talks louder than civil liberties or politics.

    Well, it certainly does over here

    my initial thoughts on it

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    You're right Nhil, skiddie or outright thief. anything under $5,000 here in the U.S. and the feds don't give a damn
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    Originally posted here by nihil
    Neither. The FBI and Secret Service don't have the time to waste on silly little leftie skiddies. They would not have arrested him if there wasn't a case to answer, and a damn good one at that. The key would seem to be the credit card, and personal identity data.

    I may sound cynical, but money talks louder than civil liberties or politics.

    Well, it certainly does over here

    my initial thoughts on it

    Point taken, the feds are involved because of the money, I was just thinking of the hypocrisy of this guy when it came to free speech. He seems to think everyone should be free so speak their minds, as long as they donít disagree with him.

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    Yes Irongeek , there is that aspect to it:

    I was just thinking of the hypocrisy of this guy when it came to free speech. He seems to think everyone should be free so speak their minds, as long as they donít disagree with him.
    But hasn't that been the case in politics since the time of the Roman Forum?..........." you don't agree with me, so go drink hemlock", the French Revolution, the Russian Revolution, the English Civil War.........that is why we call them "extremists"

    I think that he and his supporters are very foolish in playing the "politics card". That leaves the Feds and prosecutors with no choice but to go for a big time conviction. Otherwise they send the message to all other crackpot organisations that this is condonable activity and an acceptable way to raise funds.

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    Hey Hey,

    Thanks for the links to the sites, definately gave me a laugh.. especially ProtestWarrior...

    This is more a cosmos type thread than a GCC and I think it could lead to some interesting conversations... I'm against computer crime... but when it's places like ProtestWarrior... I don't feel bad about it happening... it actually makes me smile... the right is all about oppression, it's a side of politics that just shouldn't exist... I figure if those people that were supporting ProtestWarrior did have thousands of dollars or millions of dollars worth of charges racked up on their site they deserve it as punishment for their belief system... (Does that about some up the I'm ok with anything as long as you agree with me system?) I think the extreme right is more of a detriment to society than any other group. Terrorists are usually the extreme right... so I say that we class ProtestWarrior.com as terrorists and treat them as we treat terrorism.

    At the same time, the moral side of me says that Jeremy is getting what he deserves for breaking the law (even if I do agree with his beliefs)..

    Anyways... now that I've started a war (Sorry for the thread hijack IronGeek but my belief is that this is what the thread centers around in one way or another).... Let's move this to Cosmos.... heh

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    HTRegz have you become an Australian? because you must be standing on your head to think that:

    Terrorists are usually the extreme right
    In reality, terrorists are usually the extreme left the have not, jealous, wannabees.

    Typically anarchists, but also embracing Trotskyists and some ultra left Marxists.

    1. London, Sydney Street seige 1911.......................anarchists
    2. England 1960's, "The Angry Brigade"....................anarchists
    3. Europe 1960's - 1970's, Baader-Meinhoff Gang.....anarchists
    4. Afghanistan, The Taliban........................................anarchists
    5. Al Quaeda...............................................................anarchists

    Anyone see a pattern?


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    Originally posted here by nihil
    HTRegz have you become an Australian? because you must be standing on your head to think that:



    In reality, terrorists are usually the extreme left the have not, jealous, wannabees.

    Typically anarchists, but also embracing Trotskyists and some ultra left Marxists.

    1. London, Sydney Street seige 1911.......................anarchists
    2. England 1960's, "The Angry Brigade"....................anarchists
    3. Europe 1960's - 1970's, Baader-Meinhoff Gang.....anarchists
    4. Afghanistan, The Taliban........................................anarchists
    5. Al Quaeda...............................................................anarchists

    Anyone see a pattern?

    Hey Hey,

    Makes sense I guess.... My belief is that Terrorists want their ways left alone.... Take terrorist attacks on the US... why do they happen.. because the US sticks their nose where it doesn't belong and causes problems...Trying to change things.... They're trying to stop the change and maintain control. To me that not wanting change is a very conservative view.. hense the right wing...

    I guess it depends on what they're trying to accomplish... or it can be summbed up with anarchists... but I think that sometimes the terrorism is justified in that they're trying to prevent their ways from being changed... but that's a completly different topic..

    If someone came and told me that Canada couldn't have a Prime Minister anymore... that we were going to get an Outside Dictator and that all our laws and beliefs were going to change... I'd fight that... I'd be inclined to kill innocent people in the outside country but the fact that I don't want my country to change is a fairly conservative view... If I was liberal, I'd want change in my country..

    I dunno.. maybe that's my way of looking at things and that's why I disagree with so many people when it comes to politics.

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    Hi HT~

    I dunno.. maybe that's my way of looking at things and that's why I disagree with so many people when it comes to politics.
    To me that not wanting change is a very conservative view.. hense the right wing...
    That is where I think you are going astray? a "conservative" is generally opposed to change, they support the laissez faire, status quo view. That tends to leave them somewhere in the middle, and explains why in two or three party systems the balance of power changes at election time, because they shift allegiance. In reality, conservatives, liberals and socialists are all "centrists"

    Now, if you look at the extreme right wing (fascists and the like) you have people who want change . They like order, control, discipline, death squads, concentration camps, juntas, military coups and so on. Terrorism by its very nature is cellular and autonomous, things hated by fascists; insurgency is more the tool of the extreme right because it is controlled and centrally organised.

    It is a bit like statistics, and the "normal distribution"............68% lie in the middle, and we tend to microanalise them into left and right wing. In reality, the "wings" are the 32% in the outer quartiles?

    just a few thoughts

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    I think at this point many of the terms have lost any meaning. Right wing, left wing, conservative and liberal all have little meaning now, their just terms thrown around to label people instead of their ideas. People are still pack animals and want to be able to have the idea of them vs us. There are conservatives want change, liberals you love to take away rights (2nd amendment anyone?), over here the socialists are considered left wing and over in the former USSR they were considered right. Right wing, left wing, conservative and liberal are terms like the word ďhackerĒ they have different meanings to different folks.

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