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    extraditions to Turkey

    Hello fellow members of AO. I have a question I hope someone can answer it for me. Heres the question see the quote below? Is this true?

    Try to find proxies that originate in the country of Turkey. The US does not have any type of extraditions with that country. This means that the US cannot bully the ISP to release anything on the true IP from the proxy servers.
    IMO Couldn't the US just subpeona the information from the proxy administrator in Turkey? If this is correct does anyone know anyother countrys like this? I searched http://www.google.com/unclesam?hl=en...Y+&btnG=Search

    If this is in the wrong thread I do apologize wasn't really sure which one to place it in.

    But I wasn't able to find the information I am searching for. Thank you, Computernerd22

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    I'm tempted to stick this into Regulatory Discussions (hrmm.. maybe get Intmon to change it to Regulatory and Law). That said, the US can certainly put forward a subpeona but it's value is only to the borders of the US. The US has no overriding legal authority in other countries. It can use diplomatic channels if the offense is serious enough but there is no international law, AFAIK, that requires Turkey or another other nation to abide by legal requests of other nations.
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    They can subpoena all they want.. That doesn't mean they get the info..
    Even in the USA .. .. if the ISP is any good they won't give out to much info for just a subpoena !
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subpoena
    This means that you may not be required to attend court if that court is located in a distant part of the state or in another state altogether.
    So let alone a whole different country..

    I don't know about turkey though.. They might be quite willing to help, since they are trying to get into the European Union..

    But sure.. There are loads of country's and ISP's that won't help investigations in the USA..
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    Although US doenst have jurisdiction there, Countries allways try to cooperate on law aspects.
    As MsM said, diplomacy can solve that - and since AFAIK US and Turkey are "friends", i cant see a dificult to get this information, or even sue somebody on Turkey
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    But sure.. There are loads of country's and ISP's that won't help investigations in the USA..
    I agree. There are a lot of countries that would be a pain in the butt to obtain information from. But what I am asking lets say someone does something illegal with a proxy server from the country of Turkey, but the person who did the illegal act lives in the USA. So does that mean

    the US cannot bully the ISP to release anything on the true IP from the proxy servers.
    If it is court ordered don't they have to give over the information?

    AFAIK, that requires Turkey or another other nation to abide by legal requests of other nations.
    So if the other country chooses not to abide by the person could get a way scotch free? This is not for me or anything malicious or anything like that.

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    As MsM said, diplomacy can solve that - and since AFAIK US and Turkey are "friends", i cant see a dificult to get this information, or even sue somebody on Turkey
    I think it would depend on how serious it is. If it's a simple scan, they may not do anything. If however we're talking a fair amount of money/resources lost, then they may be inclined to act.

    So if the other country chooses not to abide by the person could get a way scotch free? This is not for me or anything malicious or anything like that.
    Pretty much. Why do you think that so many attackers are successful from nations such as Russia, former USSR nations, India and China? The US, who is probably -- IMO -- the most likely attacked nation, is ineffectual against dealing with those nations. The creation of an international law or treaty might help as long as nations deal with attackers both internally and externally. Resources and finances will probably be the biggest detriment to international cooperation.
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    But what I am asking lets say someone does something illegal with a proxy server from the country of Turkey, but the person who did the illegal act lives in the USA.
    How would you know they live in the USA..

    Also some ISP's might not be willing to help you even if their country is..

    There are some ISP's that still think privacy is an issue and are willing to fight legal battles for it.
    ( xs4all in Netherlands is one of those )

    But as MsM said it depends on how severe the illegal actions were..

    Childporn for instance is delt with completely different from simple copyright infringements and script-kiddying..
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    Hey Hey,

    If it is court ordered don't they have to give over the information?
    You have to understand what exactly a court is and how the law is used... There is international law and therefore a World Court... but something like finding out where someone is from (who hid behind a proxy) wouldn't fall into that... You'd be looking at a police, fbi, secret service, whichever investigation... the court order would most likely come from a municipal or state court... This really holds no bearing with other countries, unless they chose to honour it. Many will, others will simply not... as a sovereign country the only laws you have to follow are your own... because they're enforced internally...

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    The actual topic can be found here http://www.elitehackers.info/forums/...read.php?t=230

    so their are chances that you could get away with certain illegal activity minor stuff that is like "attempting" to hack into a webserver for example. Nothing like child porn or anything like that.


    You would think the admins from the other countries would want to cooperate with US authority on help stopping this type of stuff. Not give the Government a hassle just to obtain some simple information.


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    IMO Couldn't the US just subpeona the information from the proxy administrator in Turkey?
    The proxy admin would probably not know what a subpeona is let alone respond to one.

    If you want an example of how some countries website admins treat threats from the USA, have a look here: http://thepiratebay.org/legal.php

    Read them, it is quite entertaning.
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