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    It just seems a shame that all the conversations about what the victims of Katrina thought about the british army ration packs were wasted as they never got to try them out. It shouldn't be too hard to find somewhere to send them if the US doesn't want them. Pakistan springs to mind. Here is the story source

    US rejects British Katrina beef

    The US said meals were overlooked due to the chaos after Katrina
    The US has blocked the distribution of around 350,000 packaged meals donated by Britain for victims of Hurricane Katrina, because of mad cow disease.
    US officials said the meals - routinely eaten by UK soldiers - were not considered unsafe but fell foul of its post-BSE ban on British beef products.

    They said none of the hurricane victims had gone hungry as a result.

    The US State Department is now trying to pass on the ration packs to countries in the developing world.

    The US has a ban on beef from Britain dating from 1997. Several other European countries' products are also banned.

    The ban was imposed after the outbreak of mad cow disease - bovine spongiform encephalopathy (BSE) - in Britain and fears that it was linked to the brain disorder variant Creutzfeldt-Jakob Disease (vCJD) in humans.

    Confusion

    However, the embargo was initially overlooked in the chaos that followed the hurricane that devastated parts of Louisiana and Mississippi, officials said.

    One US official, who wished to remain anonymous, told the AFP news agency: "In disasters people have to make quick decisions, commodities have to move quickly and... mistakes always happen."

    WHAT'S IN A READY-TO-EAT PACK?
    Meat dish - often beef-based such as stew, corned beef
    Rice
    Bacon and beans
    Chocolate, biscuits, sweets
    Dried fruit
    Juice, chocolate, soup - all powdered
    Crackers
    Pudding
    Chewing gum
    Condiments, sauces, tissues
    The US Agriculture Department eventually blocked distribution of the packages on 6 September, by which stage about 118,000 of the ready meals had already been sent out to victims.

    The remaining 357,000 have been sitting in a warehouse in Arkansas, at a cost of $16,000 (9,000) a month in storage fees, as the government decides how to dispose of them.

    Terri Teuber, a spokeswoman at the Agriculture Department, said the decision to stop the distribution of the meals would not leave victims hungry.

    'No takers'

    "By the time our inspectors were on the ground, we had confirmed that there was no longer the emergency need," she said.

    "It's critical to the story that our inspectors confirmed that the people were being fed before they held back any MREs (Meals Ready to Eat)."

    Adam Ereli, deputy spokesman at the State Department, said Washington was looking at other countries to donate the food to, but had not yet found any takers.

    "We are looking to use these MREs in the same spirit of charity and goodwill that they were provided to us.

    "We would certainly hope that other countries in need, or other needy populations would be able to make use of them, and we certainly invite any countries that see a need to contact us," he said.

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    What a shower of brain dead retards!

    Perhaps we should pull our people out of Iraq and let the "US government officials" get on with it...........?.................donations............forget it from me

    Why am I so p1$$ed off..............well, unlike the retards you guys elect, and their political appointees................I look at the facts first?

    I have just taken a can of "British" corned beef out of the larder...............guess what it says on the side?

    PACKED UNDER BRAZILIAN GOVERNMENT INSPECTION
    We do not make that sort of stuff over here, it all comes from South American free range cattle herds (Brasil & Argentina mostly), and is shipped ready processed.

    A famous REM supplier over here is Frey Bentos (good English name there huh?)................

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    US rejects British Katrina beef

    The US said meals were overlooked due to the chaos after Katrina
    The US has blocked the distribution of around 350,000 packaged meals donated by Britain for victims of Hurricane Katrina, because of mad cow disease.
    Maybe it was these same A**holes who whispered into some senators ears,Mad Moos

    They can always send these MRE's to Pakistan. (my favorite was always the Salisbury Steak)

    Besides nothing short of a Nuclear Meltdown could contaminate those things, so the US reasons don't make sense, these things have a shelf life of almost 3 yrs, or they did when we used to have them.(may have changed nowadays).

    I haven't noticed in the news lately of mad marines running around Baghdad after eating their MRE's.

    It's a crock, special interest groups (lobbyists) win out again.

    used to be a lot of fun getting those awhile ago, they would come with Chicklets (gum) Chocolate Bar (usually Dairymilk), matches, Desserts like puddings, or pies, or (real old) cans of Fuit Cocktail, course you got the handy dandy can opener with it.

    The classy thing to have done would have been to graciously accept the MRE's with thanks, and when no one was noticing, they could have unloaded them to the oppossition in Congress.
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    It was the same people who refused aid from cuban medics willing to help us out, they were refused all because we have a 40 year grudge with Castro... i know hes a Communist and i dont really like him but, i wasnt even born when he really pissed off the US. Most of the people he pissed off are dead anyway so cant we just drop this whole grudge thing if they are trying to help us out? but i do understand that he would prolly want favors etc...and thats no good.
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    We'll drop the grudge when Castro dies. Hey Nihil.... have a beer and a can of American corned beef hash.
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    Ya with Castro alive I dont think we will be dropping anything anytime soon. but, this brings up another interesting point in my mind. China has a communist Gov. and we dont seem to have much of a problem with them, consider we import about 1 trillion billion things from them lol. but Cuba is communist and we have a serious problem?
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    To bring things back on topic, I just dont want to get into the whole cuba thing. It has been over a week since the earthquake in Pakistan. There are thousands of people starving and the packages are still in a warehouse costing $16000 a week to stock. I wonder if anyone in the administration offered them to the pakisani goverment yet? Still might be a bit hard to explain giving food that is unfit for consumption in your country out as aid.
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    From what I see on the news, the problem is not one of materials, but of logistics?

    They have the stuff, but cannot deliver it?

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    Nihil,
    Your right about the problems in Pakistan but those problems dont apply to the british army ration packs that were sent to the US and now are sitting in wharehouses. I think the comment
    and we certainly invite any countries that see a need to contact us,
    sums up the situation. I am just surprised that over a week after the disaster nobody though about sending them.
    I think this report show how diificult it is for the relief agencys in Pakistan and how bad the logistics problems are:

    helicopter heroes


    When the global media descended on Pakistan in the wake of the killer quake on 8 October, what the world saw was a relief effort that was perhaps memorable only for its chaos.


    The helicopters have been called "angels" by villagers

    What went unnoticed was the tireless effort made by a handful of nameless and faceless people that eventually set the ground rules for what is shaping up into one of the largest relief and rescue operations since the Asian tsunami.
    These men are the helicopter pilots of Pakistan's armed forces - perhaps the only people who have delivered more than was expected of them.
    While those in cities and towns - helped mostly by road transport - have perhaps not even noticed their presence beyond the deafening hum of the rotors on their flying machines, villagers call them angels.
    "If it hadn't been for these helicopters, about 600 people in my village who survived would surely have died," says Abdul Ghafoor, a resident of Chikothi.
    Chikothi is a border town 62 kilometres northeast of Muzaffarabad. The road is so badly damaged that its restoration would perhaps take several months.
    Locals say the choppers were there on the second day after the quake.

    Sea change
    One of the Pakistan army's most senior helicopter pilots says he saw a "sea change" in the pilots under his command after their first trip to Muzaffarabad.
    Some of the slopes are so steep... that most of our airdrops just roll down to the river below

    Pilot
    "Aviators are pampered brats because of the nature of their job," says this officer.
    "You try and stretch them beyond regular hours and they throw the rule book at you."
    Yet each one of the 20-odd chopper pilots employed by the Pakistan army has been doing 12 to 16 hour days since the quake struck.
    For the first two days, they were even flying during the night - a practice strictly forbidden under normal circumstances.


    Helicopters arrived in Chikhoti two days after the earthquake

    Pilots recall those critical 48 hours as a period of "blind flights."
    But while that pressure eased with the commissioning of more choppers, the pressure to evacuate the injured has only mounted with time.
    Pakistan army spokesman Shaukat Sultan says the army's fleet of 10 Russian-built MI-17s - along with a few smaller ones - has rescued 6,000 people so far.
    The commanders of these pilots say they will not stop their aid efforts, and when ordered to do so they fight and resist to the point of insubordination.
    "There were hundreds of people standing amid the rubble, waving to me, motioning me to come down," says one MI-17 pilot describing his first view of Muzaffarabad - only about four hours after the quake.
    "But at that stage, we had only been sent out to assess the situation, not to intervene.
    "Now we can and I am not stopping till I drop."

    Highest battlefield

    During their typical 12-hour day, about half the time is spent in the air.
    It must be tough staying up for such a long time, especially given the hilly terrain.
    "The terrain is the least of their problems," says one senior commander.
    According to him, Pakistani chopper pilots have had extensive experience of hostile conditions because of the conflict in Siachen glacier.
    "They have been dumping combat supplies at the world's highest battlefield for more than 20 years now," he says.
    The pilots have also had vast experience of operating in hilly areas because of Pakistan's 25-year-old involvement in Afghanistan.
    So it is not the terrain that is the issue.
    "It is the people," says one pilot.
    He says one of the trickiest problems he has faced in relief and rescue work so far is airdropping supplies.
    The hastily put together relief packages in the initial days could weigh in excess of 40 kilos.
    "Can you believe that old men, women and children would run directly under the choppers, trying to catch the drops," he says.
    "From a height of 20 to 25 metres, they would have been crushed under their weight."
    Often, the pilots would have to return without dropping supplies - a complaint that was heard from many villagers once the land routes opened.
    "What could we do? We were carrying only the minimum possible fuel so we could carry more supplies.
    "And if the people in one village held us up for more than a few minutes, we would just fly on to the next."

    Super mules
    Particularly problematic for the choppers was to drop relief supplies at villages - tiny settlements really, often not larger than a dozen houses - close to mountain tops.
    These areas have traditionally been served - in severe weather conditions for example - by the army's animal transport units (ATUs) made up of mules.
    The mules are amazing animals. Each one of them is trained to carry particular kinds of supplies.
    Those trained in carrying ammunition will not carry guns and the ones trained to carry clothes will not transport food - each of these mules is a specialist.

    The Pakistani army's animal transport units (ATUs).

    And they can find their destination without human assistance.
    hey have been a critical part of military logistics for more than 50 years and the only means of helping villagers trapped in snowstorms in the harsh winter months.
    The quake has reduced the ATUs to a fraction of their original strength, leaving the relief work entirely dependent on choppers.
    "Some of the slopes are so steep - especially where levelled clearings have been swept down to the valley by the quake - that most of our airdrops just roll down to the river below," says one pilot.
    "We don't want to hover too close to the survivors either, as the rotors would blow away whatever little shelter they are left with."
    Indeed, at the Muzaffarabad chopper base set up inside a stadium, people toppling over as mammoth US Blackhawks touch down or take off is a regular sight.

    Thank you

    The hardest part by far, say the pilots, is evacuating casualties.
    One of the hardest hit areas away from the towns and cities is Lipa valley.
    The quake seems to have inflicted 100% damage here. From the tiniest of sheds to the brigade headquarters, nothing has been left standing.
    Entire hillsides have caved in. Even the walkways leading up the hills have disappeared.
    A Medecins Sans Frontieres doctor, who had set up a medical camp at a small clearing, said even a week after the quake, between 100 to 150 people - most with fractures - were still making their way down the hills every day.

    As the soldiers started bringing in casualties, it was easy to understand the pilots' consternation.
    On the 13-minute flight from Lipa valley back to Muzaffarabad, and the 32 minutes from there to Rawalpindi, the copter resembled a nightmare tomb.
    The wounds of many among them have begun to fester and the aircraft stinks unbearably.
    The casualties are packed like sardines and when rough winds shake the copter, many of them cry out in pain.
    "This is the only thing that I still haven't gotten used to," says one of the crew.
    "But we know that there are many more - hundreds or may be thousands - who still await evacuation."
    By the evening, the chopper has evacuated 95 casualties and dropped nearly 10 tonnes of relief supplies across the Lipa valley.
    "No matter how much we do, we know there is still a lot more to be done," says one of the crew.
    "How can we even think of giving ourselves a break?"
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    Pakistan and India have been shaping up for a war for a long time. I am sure that they have plenty of army ration packs of their own to hand out.

    The nonsense about the British Army ration packs in the USA is just that...............nonsense.

    In fact I would consider it to be media hype and political sh1t stirring.

    EDIT: Sorry, I forgot to mention, these are pretty remote areas we are talking about, so stuff with the instructions in English might be of somewhat limited value, compared to local versions?

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